Krimel (and Marsha) --
As the initiator of this thread, I feel obliged to add some clarity to the controversy which seems to have ended in a brawl.
On 9/25 this exchange was posted between you and Marsha . .. [Marsha]:
There are six senses: sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste and mind. Perceptual awareness may be of a mental pattern. These six senses of perception seem to cover everything.
[Krimel]:
The number of senses is a bit arbitrary. Them as several senses that get lumped under touch: pain, proprioception, balance, and heat to name the most obvious. But "mind" is most assuredly not a "sense". Sensation refers to the activation of the various receptor cells in our bodies that convert energy from the environment, (light, motion and chemistry) into nervous impulses. Perception is an entirely different process but I often fear that people here either do not understand or do not recognize the distinction.
Marsha, I won't comment on your characterization of Krimel, but I side with him on this issue.
It's ironic that Psychology, which began as a study [ology] of the mind or "soul" [psyche], now rejects the most self-evident of human attributes and regards "mental processes" as a product of biogenetic, neuro-physiological, and sociological development.
I don't pretend to know how Buddhists "study" the mind. But it appears that, like the objectivists, they dismiss "selfness" and relegate proprietary awareness to the natural world (or its pantheistic equivalent).
Mind is not a "sense". It is the cognitive awareness of all sensation relative to (i.e., identified with) a specific organism. Mind is the 'Knower' of experience, which is neither a sensation nor a perception, but self-awareness whose contents and organic locus relate to the appearance of being. Fundamentally speaking, mind is being-aware.
Finite existence is differentiated temporally, spatially, and materially by the intellect. Existence is a subject/object dichotomy. Every individual is separated from every other object of its experience, as well as from the primary source of reality. The essential link that binds the subject to its source is not finitude but Value. Experience, in conjunction with intellection, is what brings value into existence as Being. In that sense, we are all creators of our universe.
Again, I submit that man is essentially value-sensibility and functionally a being-aware.
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