Hi Ham. 7 Oct.: [Ham] before::
> > > Take away cognitive awareness and there is no experience, > > > universe, intellect, or quality. [Bo] before: > > Will Essence remain? > YES! That's the whole point of having a transcendent source, which > you and Pirsig apparently deny. Pirsig says Quality is the ultimate > reality. Yous say it's Intellect. But neither of these human > sensibilities exists without the individual who DOES the qualifying > and the intellectualizing. Only Essence transcends finitiude - Man > and Nature - and is independent of differential (experienced) reality. Intellect is a mere static level, not "ultimate reality". Get it? Having a transcendent source must surely be a great asset, particularly after stating that "take away ...etc". and that nothing is left yet Essence remains. Ham, this is no irony. I would have accepted this it if you had started from the Essence/ Differentiated Beingness split as fundamental, rejecting the Differentiated Beingness internal split (that necessarily must be the man/world one) After such a metaphysical shift Essence transcends the finitude of the said differential beingness ... and kept it there, but at several instances you have claimed that man is the final entity and that if his his awareness disappears nothing is left ....and from THOSE premises Essence goes down the drain. As said the first section above is valid and an exact match to Pirsig's first metaphysical regrouping that shifted the metaphysical slash from the previous Differentiated/Beingness (Subject/Object in his lingo) to Essence (Quality)/Differentiated Beingness (S/O). See? I leave it here. I have labored much over this trying to formulate it in a way that you must understand if you WANT to. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
