Hi Marsha Quaint, to find my words thrown back at me : )
But really, when the world is crashing down on so many people, I guess there wont be many with half a mind; is any. Then they didnt have any to begin with, if they allowed themselves to caught up in the global euphoria of the bubble; the mindlessness of the herd and the market. Yes the market. Does the market have a mind? Where is its brain ? Are they they folks at Goldman Sachs who decided to go long instead of short ? Or is it with George Soros, who says Government is needed to master the market and to tame the beast. Where is the Dalai Lama when we need him ? There is the little niggling of the gallstones that need to be taken out. Even a god has to have them removed; I thought he would just meditate them away; I still have mine; lodged in my gall bladder like a ticking time bomb before they decide to irritate and inflame. These are inflammatory times; and there is a certain madness about. Where is the centre and where is the norm; do we know anymore ? Does it lie somewhere between an Obama and a McCain ? Between the Blue and the Red ? Between Putin and Mr Hu ? Who indeed will be the new Masters of the Universe ? Civilisation lurches from shock to shock; seemingly mindless and without the Quality we seek. Khoo On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:59 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Khoo, > > ...by a neurosurgical stroke so fine > I find myself completely out of my mind.. > > Marsha > > p.s. I don't know how Bo can not address your post. Words like narrow, > shallow and without humility come to my mind. > > > > > > > > > > At 09:29 AM 10/12/2008, you wrote: > >> Skutvik : >> Thus the oriental intellectual level was every bit as S/O as the >> Occidental, >> but the >> Orientals did not lock on to that level to let it develop into a S/O >> metaphysics like the West. >> >> Khoo: >> Wow, Bo this is as superficial as you can get about a culture and a >> civilisation bounded by a metaphysics that you observe as laboratory rats. >> Have you immersed yourself among the lab rats in what oriental philosophy, >> more pointedly Chinese philosophy would be all about before you make >> statements like that; directly rather than vicariously even through >> Pirsig. >> >> >> Skutvik: >> The social level is their primary focus with a Quality-like insight lodged >> on top of that, manifest as Buddhism and Taoism. >> >> Khoo: >> In a way if thats all how you think of Chinese civilisation being mostly >> social structures it does not surprise me that you would come up with a >> particularly grating point of view as below: >> >> Skutvik: >> This is behind their lack of innovation, of aping western music and >> producing western goods to perfection, but not bringing forth any new >> things. >> >> Khoo: >> I wonder where the world would be without ice cream, spaghetti and >> gunpowder. But that said according to your world view - lets not hold our >> breath for anything new to come out from China -even as blends of East and >> West and then more. >> >> I may have posted earlier on this before - but all innovative activity in >> China was done and claimed in the name of the Emperor. I was surprised >> that >> crossbows and chrome were already made in China when China was first >> unified >> under Qin. Does anyone remember the name of the first Chinese Taikonaut; >> as >> opposed to Yuri Gagarin and Alan Shepard ? >> >> Chinese society today has to deal with the market capitalism of the West - >> to the extent that greed and lax regulation has allowed melamine to taint >> baby milk products. But the social values of a country that limiits birth >> to >> one child per family will soon enough correct that - as we expect the >> greater good to prevail over the greed of a few. >> >> >> Skutvik: >> Most of all no philosophical evolution - like the MOQ for instance - and >> typically the MOQ could not have been arrived without the strong >> intellectual level i.e. the SOM. >> Khoo: >> Might it ever be considered that Chinese civilisation for all its 6,000 >> years, barbarism and affluence >> all taken into account, is the manifestation of a Metaphysics of Quality ? >> Quality after all precedes SOM; Western civilisation choose to go with SOM >> as the primary dichotomy. Chinese civilisation stayed with the Metaphysics >> of Quality and retained SOM as a derivative branch. >> >> That is why maybe in your scheme of things the Chinese don't have >> inventions >> in the personalised patents under the names of individualised objects; >> objects who dared identify and name the ten thousand "things' as though >> they >> discovered "them" and therefore possesed "them".. >> >> Finally I am not inclined to get into a debate where the premises have no >> common ground but I will say that if one accepts that the fundamental >> worldview of the Chinese is alliterative rather than objective; then we >> may >> start to get to the point. >> > > > > > . > . > > Shoot for the moon. 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