Skutvik said:
Again, perhaps this is the said next turn of the Q-screw? I mean as
in LILA where Pirsig speaks about intellect and biology (the levels)
joining forces to quell social value. If we extend this into a
reality where Quality is seen as quasi-level it's "enemy below" is
intellect and it will "join forces" with social value to quell
intellect. This is exactly what caused "LILA" so much bad press at
its publication, Pirsig looked like a reactionary.
dmb says:
Bo, I'm am shocked and horrified by these assertions. I'm disgusted,
actually. You've turned the MOQ into a doctrine that supports
anti-intellectual reactionary politics, if not outright fascism.
This is both incorrect and immoral. Seriously. I used to think you
were just wrong, a mixed up essentialist, but now I think your ideas
are actually kind of bigoted and dangerous.
[Bodvar]
Good, at least I managed to shake up one single person from the
slumber that this discussion has been in and show the implications of
a MOQ not properly understood. Namely that of being a better
intellectual pattern that will replace the S/O patterns (science and
knowledge) that have corrupted it. Because these patterns ARE
intellect it's back to a social reality if weakened, and this is truly
"outright fascism" (at least for a culture that has been at the
intellectual
level). The S/O distinction must be kept as intellect's value - the
highest and best static such - only checked by the DQ/SQ context it's
part of.
As I sketched regarding the Orient of an intellectual level that didn't
develop properly before overwhelmed by a "dynamic" something
beyond that "join forces" with social value. The MOQ is no academical
dee-da-dum, but a very dangerous idea if not treated with care. I show
these dangers and am subject to the "kill the messenger" instinct.
Bo
I'm with Bo. And I would also like to add that that's why I get so angry at
Platt and others using the MOQ as an "anti-intellectual reactionary
politics" - because I feel that they do just that. By alla the Gods and
Stuff Like That - I will not sit here and hear people go on about their
anti-intelelctual agenda and use the "DQ card" to escape from reason. Gods
how I hate it!
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