At 08:38 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
If you empathise with Lila's (Pirsig's) words so much then why did you
remonstrate with Arlo's views on avatars and identity?
-KO
KO'd,
I totally agree with Lila's (RMP's) words. We are multifaceted
patterns, and other people are merely mirrors of our own value.
My objection was to being honest on this list. Within Second Life,
or Warcraft, or whatever, I don't care what role you want to
play. But on this MD List and Offlist, I want honesty as best it can
be experienced. If one want's to play a role, just be honest about
it. The issue with me was honesty, not identity.
I don't want to get into this Arlo argument. I might have once been
naive, but I no longer think of this list as a place of honesty. I
try to be honest, but everyone else is playing games... Well, dmb is
not playing games, but that's why he is one of my heros.
I miss being able to look into your eyes.
Marsha
Marsha
2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At 08:05 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>
>> Good job i don't have a daughter then; I have always said i was glad not
>> to
>> have had a daughter because i think i would have been well out of my depth
>> in that role. I have never imagined myself as a woman. I am not concerned
>> about 'women's lib', i won't think about it, that is for women to struggle
>> with. Men and women to me are like different species, consequently i am
>> fascinated by women.
>>
>> Your laughing sounds scornful to me; i was serious when i offered the
>> link.
>>
>
> My laughing is not scornful, but "I mean, I used to play I was this kind of
> person and that kind of person but I got so tired of playing all those
> games. It's such work and it doesn't do any good. There's just all these
> pictures of who I am and they don't hold together. They're all different
> people I'm supposed to be but none of them are me. I'm not anybody. I'm not
> here. Like you now. I can see you've got a lot of bad impressions about me
> in your mind. And you think that what's in your mind is here talking to you
> but nobody's here. You know what I mean? Nobody's home. "
>
> As much as I love ZMM, LILA, the MOQ, RMP and all on this list, I'm here
> for Lila.
>
>
>
> Don't understand your "yes, no and all of the above", it's not clear to me
>> what you are refering to.
>>
>
> I have no other way to explain what I meant. Sorry.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -KO
>>
>> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> >
>> > KO.
>> >
>> > At 07:06 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> I meant harsher than the artistic, feminine, earth woman vibes I
>> usually
>> >> get
>> >> from you - probably I am guilty of stereotyping; rhymed with 'Marsha'
>> >> though.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Maybe there is something lacking in your understanding of 'artistic,
>> > feminine, earth women'? You aren't one of those men who expect women
>> to
>> > behave like you would if you were a woman? Many a man has destroyed
>> his
>> > daughter with that crap.
>> >
>> > You did get me. I had a good laugh, and a laugh is always good. You
>> must
>> > have laughed at the thought of offering your article. Nothing has many
>> > sides. I hope to laugh at them all.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Did you feel shame? Didn't you intent some sarcasm? Where is the real
>> >> truth?
>> >> Why do we have these emotions?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No, I love to laugh. I can laugh at the both of us.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The Bohr quote is too impenetrable for me.
>> >>
>> >> -KO
>> >>
>> >
>> > To make it simple: yes, no and all of the above.
>> >
>> >
>> > Marsha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > What do you mean by harsher? Harsher than? I didn't read your
>> article.
>> >> I
>> >> > was going to add this Bohr's quote, but didn't. Are you trying to
>> shame
>> >> me?
>> >> >
>> >> > I will present it again now:
>> >> >
>> >> > "There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a
>> >> trivial
>> >> > truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true."
>> >> > - Niels Bohr
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 06:29 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> So sarcastic - not so humorous for the couple involved though.
>> >> >> Marsha you have a harsher side.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> KO
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Posting the original article was suppose to be humorous. Did I
>> make
>> >> you
>> >> >> > squirm? Was it a virtual squirm?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At 04:28 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm><
>> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>Hi
>> >> >> >> Marsha,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> thought you might like to know of some less negative consequences
>> of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> virtual realm.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This from the BBC:
>> >> >> >> Saving Lives in a Virtual World<
>> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> regards
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> KO
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> >> > Date: 2008/10/24
>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] Woman kills avatar
>> >> >> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > In recent years, virtual lives have had consequences in the
>> real
>> >> >> world.
>> >> >> >> In
>> >> >> >> > August, a woman was charged in Delaware with plotting the
>> >> real-life
>> >> >> >> > abduction of a boyfriend she met through "Second Life," another
>> >> >> virtual
>> >> >> >> > interactive world.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_avatar_murder
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is
>> a
>> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated
>> harmony
>> >> >> >> without
>> >> >> >> > end.
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