All i can say is - there are two ends to every stick!
KO
2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At 09:28 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>
>> You know i don't post often on this list - i can't respond very well to
>> the
>> more serious exchanges due to lack of knowledge of history of philosophy,
>> lack of brains and pure laziness (self-deprecation doubling as honesty).
>> Some people come here to play or laugh - that has it's uses in learning; i
>> don't believe people here are dishonest though; like you, they say what is
>> in their mind however misguided that may be sometimes. I don't think
>> 'griefers' stay long in moq_discuss. People come here to learn however
>> obstinate they may appear.
>>
>> -KO
>>
>
> KO
>
> Laziness and obstinate are like your initial charge of harsh. Relative!
> Want to unpack the terms and explain their relationships?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> > At 08:38 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you empathise with Lila's (Pirsig's) words so much then why did you
>> >> remonstrate with Arlo's views on avatars and identity?
>> >>
>> >> -KO
>> >>
>> >
>> > KO'd,
>> >
>> > I totally agree with Lila's (RMP's) words. We are multifaceted
>> patterns,
>> > and other people are merely mirrors of our own value.
>> >
>> > My objection was to being honest on this list. Within Second Life, or
>> > Warcraft, or whatever, I don't care what role you want to play. But on
>> this
>> > MD List and Offlist, I want honesty as best it can be experienced. If
>> one
>> > want's to play a role, just be honest about it. The issue with me was
>> > honesty, not identity.
>> >
>> > I don't want to get into this Arlo argument. I might have once been
>> naive,
>> > but I no longer think of this list as a place of honesty. I try to be
>> > honest, but everyone else is playing games... Well, dmb is not playing
>> > games, but that's why he is one of my heros.
>> >
>> > I miss being able to look into your eyes.
>> >
>> > Marsha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Marsha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>
>> >> > At 08:05 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Good job i don't have a daughter then; I have always said i was glad
>> >> not
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> have had a daughter because i think i would have been well out of my
>> >> depth
>> >> >> in that role. I have never imagined myself as a woman. I am not
>> >> concerned
>> >> >> about 'women's lib', i won't think about it, that is for women to
>> >> struggle
>> >> >> with. Men and women to me are like different species, consequently i
>> am
>> >> >> fascinated by women.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Your laughing sounds scornful to me; i was serious when i offered
>> the
>> >> >> link.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > My laughing is not scornful, but "I mean, I used to play I was this
>> kind
>> >> of
>> >> > person and that kind of person but I got so tired of playing all
>> those
>> >> > games. It's such work and it doesn't do any good. There's just all
>> these
>> >> > pictures of who I am and they don't hold together. They're all
>> different
>> >> > people I'm supposed to be but none of them are me. I'm not anybody.
>> I'm
>> >> not
>> >> > here. Like you now. I can see you've got a lot of bad impressions
>> about
>> >> me
>> >> > in your mind. And you think that what's in your mind is here talking
>> to
>> >> you
>> >> > but nobody's here. You know what I mean? Nobody's home. "
>> >> >
>> >> > As much as I love ZMM, LILA, the MOQ, RMP and all on this list, I'm
>> here
>> >> > for Lila.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't understand your "yes, no and all of the above", it's not clear
>> to
>> >> me
>> >> >> what you are refering to.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I have no other way to explain what I meant. Sorry.
>> >> >
>> >> > Marsha
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -KO
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > KO.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At 07:06 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I meant harsher than the artistic, feminine, earth woman vibes I
>> >> >> usually
>> >> >> >> get
>> >> >> >> from you - probably I am guilty of stereotyping; rhymed with
>> >> 'Marsha'
>> >> >> >> though.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Maybe there is something lacking in your understanding of
>> 'artistic,
>> >> >> > feminine, earth women'? You aren't one of those men who expect
>> >> women
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > behave like you would if you were a woman? Many a man has
>> destroyed
>> >> >> his
>> >> >> > daughter with that crap.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You did get me. I had a good laugh, and a laugh is always good.
>> You
>> >> >> must
>> >> >> > have laughed at the thought of offering your article. Nothing has
>> >> many
>> >> >> > sides. I hope to laugh at them all.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Did you feel shame? Didn't you intent some sarcasm? Where is the
>> >> real
>> >> >> >> truth?
>> >> >> >> Why do we have these emotions?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No, I love to laugh. I can laugh at the both of us.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The Bohr quote is too impenetrable for me.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -KO
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > To make it simple: yes, no and all of the above.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Marsha
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > What do you mean by harsher? Harsher than? I didn't read your
>> >> >> article.
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> > was going to add this Bohr's quote, but didn't. Are you trying
>> to
>> >> >> shame
>> >> >> >> me?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I will present it again now:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of
>> a
>> >> >> >> trivial
>> >> >> >> > truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also
>> >> true."
>> >> >> >> > - Niels Bohr
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > At 06:29 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> So sarcastic - not so humorous for the couple involved though.
>> >> >> >> >> Marsha you have a harsher side.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> KO
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Posting the original article was suppose to be humorous.
>> Did I
>> >> >> make
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> > squirm? Was it a virtual squirm?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > At 04:28 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm><
>> >> >> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>Hi
>> >> >> >> >> >> Marsha,
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> thought you might like to know of some less negative
>> >> consequences
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> virtual realm.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> This from the BBC:
>> >> >> >> >> >> Saving Lives in a Virtual World<
>> >> >> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> regards
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> KO
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Date: 2008/10/24
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] Woman kills avatar
>> >> >> >> >> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > In recent years, virtual lives have had consequences in
>> the
>> >> >> real
>> >> >> >> >> world.
>> >> >> >> >> >> In
>> >> >> >> >> >> > August, a woman was charged in Delaware with plotting the
>> >> >> >> real-life
>> >> >> >> >> >> > abduction of a boyfriend she met through "Second Life,"
>> >> another
>> >> >> >> >> virtual
>> >> >> >> >> >> > interactive world.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_avatar_murder
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which
>> each
>> >> is
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated
>> >> >> harmony
>> >> >> >> >> >> without
>> >> >> >> >> >> > end.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each
>> is
>> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated
>> >> harmony
>> >> >> >> >> without
>> >> >> >> >> > end.
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>> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is
>> a
>> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated
>> harmony
>> >> >> >> without
>> >> >> >> > end.
>> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> > .
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>> >> >> > .
>> >> >> > .
>> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
>> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony
>> >> >> without
>> >> >> > end.
>> >> >> > .
>> >> >> > .
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>> >> > .
>> >> > .
>> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
>> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony
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>> >> > end.
>> >> > .
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>> > .
>> > .
>> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
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>> without
>> > end.
>> > .
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> .
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> end.
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