All i can say is - there are two ends to every stick! KO
2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 09:28 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote: > >> You know i don't post often on this list - i can't respond very well to >> the >> more serious exchanges due to lack of knowledge of history of philosophy, >> lack of brains and pure laziness (self-deprecation doubling as honesty). >> Some people come here to play or laugh - that has it's uses in learning; i >> don't believe people here are dishonest though; like you, they say what is >> in their mind however misguided that may be sometimes. I don't think >> 'griefers' stay long in moq_discuss. People come here to learn however >> obstinate they may appear. >> >> -KO >> > > KO > > Laziness and obstinate are like your initial charge of harsh. Relative! > Want to unpack the terms and explain their relationships? > > > Marsha > > > > > 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > At 08:38 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote: >> > >> >> If you empathise with Lila's (Pirsig's) words so much then why did you >> >> remonstrate with Arlo's views on avatars and identity? >> >> >> >> -KO >> >> >> > >> > KO'd, >> > >> > I totally agree with Lila's (RMP's) words. We are multifaceted >> patterns, >> > and other people are merely mirrors of our own value. >> > >> > My objection was to being honest on this list. Within Second Life, or >> > Warcraft, or whatever, I don't care what role you want to play. But on >> this >> > MD List and Offlist, I want honesty as best it can be experienced. If >> one >> > want's to play a role, just be honest about it. The issue with me was >> > honesty, not identity. >> > >> > I don't want to get into this Arlo argument. I might have once been >> naive, >> > but I no longer think of this list as a place of honesty. I try to be >> > honest, but everyone else is playing games... Well, dmb is not playing >> > games, but that's why he is one of my heros. >> > >> > I miss being able to look into your eyes. >> > >> > Marsha >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Marsha >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > At 08:05 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Good job i don't have a daughter then; I have always said i was glad >> >> not >> >> >> to >> >> >> have had a daughter because i think i would have been well out of my >> >> depth >> >> >> in that role. I have never imagined myself as a woman. I am not >> >> concerned >> >> >> about 'women's lib', i won't think about it, that is for women to >> >> struggle >> >> >> with. Men and women to me are like different species, consequently i >> am >> >> >> fascinated by women. >> >> >> >> >> >> Your laughing sounds scornful to me; i was serious when i offered >> the >> >> >> link. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > My laughing is not scornful, but "I mean, I used to play I was this >> kind >> >> of >> >> > person and that kind of person but I got so tired of playing all >> those >> >> > games. It's such work and it doesn't do any good. There's just all >> these >> >> > pictures of who I am and they don't hold together. They're all >> different >> >> > people I'm supposed to be but none of them are me. I'm not anybody. >> I'm >> >> not >> >> > here. Like you now. I can see you've got a lot of bad impressions >> about >> >> me >> >> > in your mind. And you think that what's in your mind is here talking >> to >> >> you >> >> > but nobody's here. You know what I mean? Nobody's home. " >> >> > >> >> > As much as I love ZMM, LILA, the MOQ, RMP and all on this list, I'm >> here >> >> > for Lila. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Don't understand your "yes, no and all of the above", it's not clear >> to >> >> me >> >> >> what you are refering to. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I have no other way to explain what I meant. Sorry. >> >> > >> >> > Marsha >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -KO >> >> >> >> >> >> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > KO. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > At 07:06 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I meant harsher than the artistic, feminine, earth woman vibes I >> >> >> usually >> >> >> >> get >> >> >> >> from you - probably I am guilty of stereotyping; rhymed with >> >> 'Marsha' >> >> >> >> though. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Maybe there is something lacking in your understanding of >> 'artistic, >> >> >> > feminine, earth women'? You aren't one of those men who expect >> >> women >> >> >> to >> >> >> > behave like you would if you were a woman? Many a man has >> destroyed >> >> >> his >> >> >> > daughter with that crap. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You did get me. I had a good laugh, and a laugh is always good. >> You >> >> >> must >> >> >> > have laughed at the thought of offering your article. Nothing has >> >> many >> >> >> > sides. I hope to laugh at them all. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Did you feel shame? Didn't you intent some sarcasm? Where is the >> >> real >> >> >> >> truth? >> >> >> >> Why do we have these emotions? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No, I love to laugh. I can laugh at the both of us. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The Bohr quote is too impenetrable for me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -KO >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > To make it simple: yes, no and all of the above. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Marsha >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > What do you mean by harsher? Harsher than? I didn't read your >> >> >> article. >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> > was going to add this Bohr's quote, but didn't. Are you trying >> to >> >> >> shame >> >> >> >> me? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I will present it again now: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of >> a >> >> >> >> trivial >> >> >> >> > truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also >> >> true." >> >> >> >> > - Niels Bohr >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > At 06:29 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> So sarcastic - not so humorous for the couple involved though. >> >> >> >> >> Marsha you have a harsher side. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> KO >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Posting the original article was suppose to be humorous. >> Did I >> >> >> make >> >> >> >> you >> >> >> >> >> > squirm? Was it a virtual squirm? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > At 04:28 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>< >> >> >> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>Hi >> >> >> >> >> >> Marsha, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thought you might like to know of some less negative >> >> consequences >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> virtual realm. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This from the BBC: >> >> >> >> >> >> Saving Lives in a Virtual World< >> >> >> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> regards >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> KO >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Date: 2008/10/24 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] Woman kills avatar >> >> >> >> >> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > In recent years, virtual lives have had consequences in >> the >> >> >> real >> >> >> >> >> world. >> >> >> >> >> >> In >> >> >> >> >> >> > August, a woman was charged in Delaware with plotting the >> >> >> >> real-life >> >> >> >> >> >> > abduction of a boyfriend she met through "Second Life," >> >> another >> >> >> >> >> virtual >> >> >> >> >> >> > interactive world. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_avatar_murder >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which >> each >> >> is >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated >> >> >> harmony >> >> >> >> >> >> without >> >> >> >> >> >> > end. >> >> >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> >> >> >> >> > Archives: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Archives: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each >> is >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated >> >> harmony >> >> >> >> >> without >> >> >> >> >> > end. >> >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> >> >> >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> >> >> >> > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> >> >> >> > Archives: >> >> >> >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> >> >> >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> >> >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> >> >> >> Archives: >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> >> >> >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is >> a >> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated >> harmony >> >> >> >> without >> >> >> >> > end. >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> > . >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> >> >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> >> >> > Archives: >> >> >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> >> >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> >> >> Archives: >> >> >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> >> >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > . >> >> >> > . >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in 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