At 09:28 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
You know i don't post often on this list - i can't respond very well to the
more serious exchanges due to lack of knowledge of history of philosophy,
lack of brains and pure laziness (self-deprecation doubling as honesty).
Some people come here to play or laugh - that has it's uses in learning; i
don't believe people here are dishonest though; like you, they say what is
in their mind however misguided that may be sometimes. I don't think
'griefers' stay long in moq_discuss. People come here to learn however
obstinate they may appear.
-KO
KO
Laziness and obstinate are like your initial charge of
harsh. Relative! Want to unpack the terms and explain their relationships?
Marsha
2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At 08:38 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>
>> If you empathise with Lila's (Pirsig's) words so much then why did you
>> remonstrate with Arlo's views on avatars and identity?
>>
>> -KO
>>
>
> KO'd,
>
> I totally agree with Lila's (RMP's) words. We are multifaceted patterns,
> and other people are merely mirrors of our own value.
>
> My objection was to being honest on this list. Within Second Life, or
> Warcraft, or whatever, I don't care what role you want to
play. But on this
> MD List and Offlist, I want honesty as best it can be experienced. If one
> want's to play a role, just be honest about it. The issue with me was
> honesty, not identity.
>
> I don't want to get into this Arlo argument. I might have once been naive,
> but I no longer think of this list as a place of honesty. I try to be
> honest, but everyone else is playing games... Well, dmb is not playing
> games, but that's why he is one of my heros.
>
> I miss being able to look into your eyes.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> > At 08:05 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good job i don't have a daughter then; I have always said i was glad
>> not
>> >> to
>> >> have had a daughter because i think i would have been well out of my
>> depth
>> >> in that role. I have never imagined myself as a woman. I am not
>> concerned
>> >> about 'women's lib', i won't think about it, that is for women to
>> struggle
>> >> with. Men and women to me are like different species, consequently i am
>> >> fascinated by women.
>> >>
>> >> Your laughing sounds scornful to me; i was serious when i offered the
>> >> link.
>> >>
>> >
>> > My laughing is not scornful, but "I mean, I used to play I was this kind
>> of
>> > person and that kind of person but I got so tired of playing all those
>> > games. It's such work and it doesn't do any good. There's just all these
>> > pictures of who I am and they don't hold together. They're all different
>> > people I'm supposed to be but none of them are me. I'm not anybody. I'm
>> not
>> > here. Like you now. I can see you've got a lot of bad impressions about
>> me
>> > in your mind. And you think that what's in your mind is here talking to
>> you
>> > but nobody's here. You know what I mean? Nobody's home. "
>> >
>> > As much as I love ZMM, LILA, the MOQ, RMP and all on this list, I'm here
>> > for Lila.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Don't understand your "yes, no and all of the above", it's not clear to
>> me
>> >> what you are refering to.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I have no other way to explain what I meant. Sorry.
>> >
>> > Marsha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -KO
>> >>
>> >> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > KO.
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:06 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I meant harsher than the artistic, feminine, earth woman vibes I
>> >> usually
>> >> >> get
>> >> >> from you - probably I am guilty of stereotyping; rhymed with
>> 'Marsha'
>> >> >> though.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe there is something lacking in your understanding of 'artistic,
>> >> > feminine, earth women'? You aren't one of those men who expect
>> women
>> >> to
>> >> > behave like you would if you were a woman? Many a man has destroyed
>> >> his
>> >> > daughter with that crap.
>> >> >
>> >> > You did get me. I had a good laugh, and a laugh is always good. You
>> >> must
>> >> > have laughed at the thought of offering your article. Nothing has
>> many
>> >> > sides. I hope to laugh at them all.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Did you feel shame? Didn't you intent some sarcasm? Where is the
>> real
>> >> >> truth?
>> >> >> Why do we have these emotions?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > No, I love to laugh. I can laugh at the both of us.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The Bohr quote is too impenetrable for me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -KO
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > To make it simple: yes, no and all of the above.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Marsha
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What do you mean by harsher? Harsher than? I didn't read your
>> >> article.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > was going to add this Bohr's quote, but didn't. Are you trying to
>> >> shame
>> >> >> me?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I will present it again now:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a
>> >> >> trivial
>> >> >> > truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also
>> true."
>> >> >> > - Niels Bohr
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At 06:29 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> So sarcastic - not so humorous for the couple involved though.
>> >> >> >> Marsha you have a harsher side.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> KO
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Posting the original article was suppose to be humorous. Did I
>> >> make
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> > squirm? Was it a virtual squirm?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > At 04:28 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm><
>> >> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>Hi
>> >> >> >> >> Marsha,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> thought you might like to know of some less negative
>> consequences
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> virtual realm.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> This from the BBC:
>> >> >> >> >> Saving Lives in a Virtual World<
>> >> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> regards
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> KO
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> >> >> > Date: 2008/10/24
>> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] Woman kills avatar
>> >> >> >> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > In recent years, virtual lives have had consequences in the
>> >> real
>> >> >> >> world.
>> >> >> >> >> In
>> >> >> >> >> > August, a woman was charged in Delaware with plotting the
>> >> >> real-life
>> >> >> >> >> > abduction of a boyfriend she met through "Second Life,"
>> another
>> >> >> >> virtual
>> >> >> >> >> > interactive world.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_avatar_murder
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each
>> is
>> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated
>> >> harmony
>> >> >> >> >> without
>> >> >> >> >> > end.
>> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
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>> a
>> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated
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>> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
>> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony
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