Hi Andre, > With my Western mind-set I see so much human (ideas) waste. > In earlier posts I have attempted to describe the formal education > process > from primary- to middel- to college- ( and here I can include > University-) > level where every hint or budding of originality, creativity, > initiative, > expression of one's own ideas/thoughts is ruthlessly dealt with if it > does > not express Party ideology. > And this static intellectual pattern is enforced right through to the > social > and biological levels. One has to experience it to believe it. It > resembles > very closely Orwell's 1984 projection in novel form. > There is no freedom of speech, no freedom of movement and what I mean by > these is that there is no freedom to express responses to Dynamic > Quality.
Does China have a national health scheme? > Platt asked me to provide evidence in ZMM and Lila of Pirsig's notions > of > compassion, love, care etc. They are full of it. They are full of the > way > (if I may say so) intellectual patterns of value in the personification > of > Phaedrus express these feelings towards social Pov's and biological > PoV's: > > ZMM the father/son relationship: starined/ awkward for obvious reasons > but > considerate, loving, caring. > Considerations/ care towards John and Sylvia...they are friends not > characters. > Relationship with De Weese: after their trecking through the mountains > they > stay at a hotel rather than disturbing the De Weese's. > Phaedrus does not kill off the professor (p385/6): "A life time of blows > tends to make a person unenthousiastic about any unnecessary interchange > that might lead to more". > "He [Phaedrus] makes a last attempt somehow to be nice...". > > In Lila, again where an Int. PoV (Phaedrus) talking about and > interacting > with a static PoV (Lila) which he describes as "Biologically she's fine, > socially she's pretty far down the scale, intellectually ( as an > intellectual) she's nowhere. But dynamically...Ahh that's the one to > watch.(p 165) > "The important thing was to support her delusions and then slowly wean > her > away from them rather than fight them"(p380) > "He wasn't going to send her to hospital" (p379). I see that all your examples cite individuals. Do you see any evidence of compassion, caring. love, etc. towards humanity in general, i.e., the social level? (To say it's necessary is not the same as saying you love it. In fact, intellect fights for freedom from social conformity and control. Recall the protest in Tiananmen Square in 1989.) > What I am getting at is that the MoQ should show compassion, love, a > caring > attitude towards SPOV's at all times. I miss this attitude in some of > the > posts. > Of course Pirsig is quite clear on where the MoQ stands morally. > Rightly he says that social PoV's should not dominate Int. PoV's. Or the > reverse that Int. PoV's should be dominated by Soc.PoV's. Did you accidentally omit the word NOT after "should" in the last sentence? > But is the MoQ suggesting that those nations that do, ought to be > condemmned, attacked and bombed? and justifiably so?? > They throw bombs therefore we throw bombs and even worse...we think they > may > throw bombs therefore we'll be first and are morally justified in doing so > ( > the pre- emptive stikes!) > The majority of people within those nations probably agree with their > government policies and activities to the same extent that we do with > our > own government policies and activities. ( i.e they are rendered powerless > as > well) "And this is a war in which intellect, to end the paralysis of society has to know whose side it is on, and support that side and never undercut it. Where biological values are undermining social values intellectuals must identify social behavior, not matter its ethnic connection, and support it all the way without restraint. Intellectuals must find biological behavior, no matter what its ethnic connection, and limit or destroy destructive biological patterns with complete moral ruthlessness., the way a doctor destroys germs, before those biological patterns destroy civilization itself." (Lila,24) > The only thing that I see around me is that fellow human beings simply > want > to make a living first, survive...have a job, security, safety from > Biol. > PoV's. So long as Int. PoV's have a different agenda to providing these > ( > yes in this context be supportive of Soc. PoV's) the battle and mess > will > continue). As above, intellect has to constantly battle the push for control by the forces of collectivist Soc. PoV's that you have so eloquently described in China. Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
