At 11:17 AM 10/27/2008, you wrote:

Andre:

What I miss in this discuss is thought being given to the thinking process
itself. The analysis of how we think...what are the constituent parts of our
thinking.
The intellectual level has been such a pain in the arse. Well; do something
with it!
And, when you do think about them, they are our senses. We think in pictures
(visual), sounds (auditory) feelings (kinesthetics) and smell and taste
(Olfactory).
Nobody listens.

There are types of meditation where one becomes aware of one's internal processes. But I'm quite sure that in becoming aware, one transforms the process. Is that what you mean?

I do not hear any in this forum complaining about their lives. No one's talking about needing to make big changes or adjustments. No one seems to suspect that they are not in total control of their thinking experience.

I agree that thinking includes pictures, sounds, feelings, etc. For a couple of years I had a daily meditation practice. It didn't take long before I could watch my thoughts coming and going. How one thought linked to another was quite remarkable, and often extremely humorous. After that, unless confronted with a problem or a puzzle, I do not take my thoughts too seriously.

What can you say about your thinking experience? Have any insights you wish to offer?




All these theories about the workings of the brain, where lies what.
Psychologists always coming up with this and that, exactly what Pirsig found
out in his lab. experiments.
During my student days, I have never read a report written by a psychologist
that was conclusive in the sense that you could do something with it. It
always ended with "More research needs to be done on this". They created
their own hypotheses for further research and securing their own
positions... .

Exactly!



Anyway

Whether you are just conversing with your neighbour or intellectualising at
some abstract metaphysical level you still use these self same
representations. It's all we have. We should not kid ourselves otherwise.
ZMM and Lila are full of this..if you look carefully. Einstein said so much,
Poincarré said so much, Proust said so much.Bohr said so much.

"There are some things so serious you have to laugh at them."
      or
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true."
         - Niels Bohr


Good night
Andre

Good night.
Marsha




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The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end.
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