Han/Andre,
Pardon me for stepping in.
<snip>>
> "The moment of pure Quality" is a lovely phrase that obviously pleases the
> MoQers. Yet, no one has experienced such a phenomenon.
On what do you base this universal statement ?
How do you know others' experience?
> All experience is
> differentiated and relational. Even self-awareness, once realized by the
> child, differentiates his individual identity from others.
Even in this, your qualification clause: "once realized by the child,"
leaves it clear that you are aware of an undifferentiated attribute
of at least some experience.
> If Pirsig had
> posited Sensibility instead of "pure Quality" as primary to existence, he
> would have been half right. The other half of his fundamental "moment" is
> the value of beingness which is what we we are sensible OF.
As long as you are aware of what Pirsig is aiming toward, and it seems
clear you grasp it in your own vital action in the world as you perceive
the world unfolding, then the specific choice of names Quality vs
Sensibility
are mere place holders in our attempts to exercise cognition upon this
shared insight as we explore it and what follows...
Together they
> differentiate subject and object to create a 'being-aware'.
That you are in love with the SOM structure and wish to
maintain the vitality of it is of course your choice, but it is
not necessary. There is an attraction to it, an aesthetic,
that is undeniable, and even comforting.
>
> As far as I can discern, the "MoQ paradigm" is a hierarchical system for
> categorizing certain constituents of existence. Since the only
> "metaphysical" component is the Quality (DQ) that lurks outside the
system,
> I do not consider Pirsig's hieriarchy of levels a metaphysical hypothesis.
>
And thus through your unique point of view in the universe,
you are free to categorize the categorizations of others to
take or leave, use or ignore, and augment or diminish for your
own purposes. It's how we all get by in flowing through our
lives...
But to close the circle...a moment of pure quality, if you are paying
attention, is very observable. I've been fortunate in places from the
laboratory, to climbing, skiing, to hiking, kayaking, to martial arts
to have had the dislocative rattle of 'what was that?' or 'Where did
that come from?' moments.
Keep looking...
thanks--mel
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