Marsha & Andre,

OR the parable of the two buddhist monks, one much older than the other, who
decided to carry a woman stranded on their side, across the river. The 227
rules of the Patimokka expressely forbid physical contact with the opposite
sex. The good deed done at the other bank, the younger monk endlessly for
days berates the other for doing so. The older monk retorts : "I have left
her long ago at the bank, why are you still carrying her on YOUR shoulders
?"

Rules are only rules, patterns are only patterns, scafolds are only scafolds
and don't let them get in your way of clarity and an undisturbed mind.

Best
Khoo Hock Aun

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:45 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 06:38 AM 11/24/2008, you wrote:
>
>> >Marsha
>> >p.s.  I consider some of the work done on the forum to be pattern
>> busting.
>> >
>> >Andre:
>> >
>> >Thank you for your confidence Marsha. Glad you liked 'my' experiencing
>> the
>> >MoQ.
>> Care to untangle that?   Matrix?  Grid?  What are you talking about?
>>
>> Hi Marsha,
>>
>> First your ps: I have misunderstood and I do not know the story about the
>> raft...tell me!
>>
>
> "Often-cited parable that occurs in the Discourse on the Parable of the
> Water Snake (Alagaddupama Sutta) in the Majjhima Nikaya of the Pali Canon.
> The parable relates to a traveller who fords a stream by paddling across
> using a coracle or raft, and the Buddha asks whether it would be appropriate
> or not for the man to carry the raft with him once he had crossed. The
> parable is often thought to mean that the body of Buddhist teachings and
> moral precepts have only provisional utility as a means to gaining
> enlightenment (bodhi) and can thereafter be discarded. A more careful
> reading of the passage shows, however, that its meaning is not that the
> teachings themselves are to abandoned en bloc but simply that certain
> teachings may on occasion be misunderstood or abused."
>
> Andre,
>
> In my case I haven't reached the far shore, but cling like crazy to the
> raft because it is so difficult to part with some patterns.  I might repeat
> an "insight" endlessly as not to allow a pattern to return.   Or maybe to
> try to go deeper.  Whatever...  Either way clinging is exhausting.
>
>
>
> Secondly,when I say; 'my experiencing the MoQ' I simply want to make clear
>> that it is only my experiencing (as different from 'interpretation'/
>> 'reasoning') and do not want to impose this onto anyone else.
>> Perhaps it is my awkward way of trying to use MoQ language.
>>
>
> Oh...  Yes, we all have our unique experience and interpretations.  After
> all we are all a different constellation of static patterns of value.  Your
> interpretation seems like a smile.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
> .
> .
> The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
> reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without
> end.
> .
> .
>
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