Hi all, The dynamic aspect of evolution is the variation and mutation of the genes in successive generations. The static aspect of evolution is the algorythmic process of replication and the natural selection of 'better' genes. Need we ask what is good? No, it is in our bones. This is biological evolution.
-KO 2008/11/25 Joseph Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tuesday 25 March Joe writes: > > Hi All, > > Evolution is not a syllogism. Different levels are involved from lower to > higher. The lower has no definition for the higher level, which speaks an > undefined language to the lower level. Is mathematics a universal > language? > > The higher is undefined and cannot enter into a lower syllogism. Logic > fails when confronted by reality. Mathematical reality cannot explain > evolution. Magnus proposes a dynamic Big Bang to start mathematical > calculations. IMO the Social Level lies outside of mathematical > calculation. What? Counting the population doesn¹t matter? Idiot! Do > you > mean that mathematics does not add to what I know? Idiot! > > Individual consciousness is an existential level of evolution to the social > level. Individual consciousness starts a parallel octave of evolution of S > only. It modifies O (gorilla) for its own purposes. Intellect, higher > social, and higher intellectual levels are of S only. Wait a minute > intellect is SO, and social is SO. Idiot! You can only train a chimp so > far. > So how is metaphysics speaking an undefined language? How can I know what > you are talking about? Value! Mystical value is outside of mathematics. > Yes, but not very far! E,G. quantum! Just far enough to show that > evolution is not a syllogism. > > There is no therefore in evolution to the social level! Only an apple and > sleep! > > Joe > > On 11/25/08 12:26 PM, "X Acto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Bo: > >> Not describing how things really are, is impossible. Forwarding a > >> theory that opens by declaring "..this is NOT how things are" is > >> stillborn. > > > > Steve: > > > > Not at all. > > > > Albert Einstein: > > "Physical concepts are free creations of the human mind, and are not, > > however it may seem, uniquely determined by the external world. In our > > endeavour to understand reality we are somewhat like a man trying to > > understand the mechanism of a closed watch. He sees the face and the > > moving hands, even hears it ticking, but he has no way of opening the > > case. If he is ingenious he may form some picture of the mechanism > > which could be responsible for all the things he observes, but he may > > never be quite sure his picture is the only one which could explain > > his observations. He will never be able to compare his picture with > > the real mechanism and he cannot even imagine the possibility of the > > meaning of such a comparison." > > > > Bo: > > I'm not rying to play the Sophist, but at this high ground there are some > > strange "inside out" turning of metaphysical socks. > > > > Ron: > > The turning of the sock you mention is the shifting from the particular > > to the universal. The whole arguement is that you insist that Quality > > may be universally defined when Pirsig and the rest of us say that > > Quality is of a particular expereince and may not be argued to > > the universal.. > > > > Pyrrhonian skeptic Sextus Empiricus first questioned induction, reasoning > that > > a universal rule could not be established from an > > incomplete set of particular instances. He wrote[1]: > > > > "when they propose to establish the universal from the particulars by > means of > > induction, they will effect this by a review of either > > all or some of the particulars. But if they review some, the induction > will be > > insecure, since some of the particulars omitted in the > > induction may contravene the universal; while if they are to review all, > they > > will be toiling at the impossible, since the particulars > > are infinite and indefinite." > > > > from wiki > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
