At 05:02 AM 11/24/2008, you wrote:
Hello Steve and Ian.
23 Nov.Steve wrote to Ian who had said:
> > Only in SOMism do we think of "a metaphysics" as an object to be
> > defined distinct from reality.
Steve:
> In the MOQ, a metaphysics is not an object or a subject. It is an idea
> or collection of ideas. It is an intellectual pattern of value. It is
> not distinct from reality. It is part of the reality it describes. If
> it couldn't describe itself, it wouldn't be much of a metaphysics.
I agree with Ian. With SOM the term "metaphysics" as the most basic
understanding of reality was born. In other words SOM began as the
attitude that we are able to understand the workings of reality. This is
the "cosmologist" (objectivity) but along with it subjectivity immediately
came into existence (the Sophists). And ever since the S and the O
has been involved in a see-saw play: .
Ian says "...we think of a metaphysics as an object to be
defined distinct from reality" may be true for some, but the most
common variety is metaphysics as a subjective theory about objective
reality, The point is the original Greek "primary/secondary" dichotomy
began with Truth/Appearance" (Socrates) and what Plato made into
"Ideas/Shadows" and Aristotle into: "Substance/Form" ...where the
modern scientific (matter/mind) attitude was born.
Steve's "In the MOQ, a metaphysics is not an object or a subject"
brings "metaphysics" out of SOM-land, but then to say that "...it is a
collection of ideas" brings it back again and "..it is not distinct from
reality" retrieves it. It's like LILA that starts with the correct Q view of
metaphysics as reality itself "No one living in an ordered universe is
outside metaphysics", but then switches to reality as the objective part
and metaphysics (the MOQ included) the subjective part .. and SOM
rules the waves.
Bo
Bo,
Metaphysics is a pattern, a metaphysics is a pattern, an
interrelated, interconnected spov. Yes?
Marsha
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The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end.
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