Bo you quote Pirsig "It's no use ..." ipso facto Pirsig is a pragmatist, not a metaphysicist looking for tight SOMist definitions.
Ian On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 2:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Steve > > 25 Nov. you said after I had said: > >> > Not describing how things really are, is impossible. Forwarding a >> > theory that opens by declaring "..this is NOT how things are" is >> > stillborn. > > Steve: >> Not at all. Albert Einstein ...etc. > > Well then "how things really are" is as Einstein says. > >> Saying that the MOQ is not trying to say what things actually are is >> what it's like to not be able to comprehend the meaning of comparing a >> scientific model like F=ma with the universe or comparing words about >> Quality and Quality itself. > > The MOQ was forwarded to show that SOM isn't "how things really > are" and itself showing the correct context - provisional or not it's valid > until further notice. > >> It is rather SOM that has no problem with making such comparisons--at >> least one taking the SOMist view thinks so. Newton's Laws of >> Gravitation are part of objective reality or are they just subjective? >> Pirsig points out the absurdity of either position in ZAMM. > > SOM surely has problems, that's the very point. I would have liked to > delve on the Newton point, but another time. > > Bo before: >> > Anyway, this is what the MOQ >> > resolves by making the SOM its own topmost level (reduced to the >> > value of the S/O) and says that the reason why it produces paradoxes >> > is its static limitation. The above from LILA isn't wrong but very >> > cumbersome. > > Steve: >> Let's be clear, the MOQ does not make SOM the intellectual level. Only >> the unnecessary and wrong-headed SOLAQI interpretation does this. The >> intellectual level of Pirsig's MOQ is the collection of all >> intellectual patterns of value. > > Exhibit 1) In the P.T. letter Pirsig says it's no use talking of the > intellectual level much before the Greek thinkers and those spell SOM > in a MOQ context. SOL confirmed. > > 2) In LILA he says that around Homer's time the social level wasn't > transcended by the intellectual one and in ZAMM the said time is when > Aretê still ruled, before being replaced by SOM, so in a MOQ context > this must be the social level being replaced by the intellectual. Again > plain SOL for those willing to see. > > Bo > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
