> Platt: > My individual level point-of-view, like the MOQ itself, is being less > pure. > > Marsha: > "29. The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a > "self" that is independent of inorganic, biological, social or > intellectual patterns. There is no "self" that contains these > patterns. These patterns contain the self. This denial agrees > with both religious mysticism and scientific knowledge. In > Zen, there is reference to "big self" and "small self." Small > self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic Quality." > (LILA's Child) > > Andre: > The Intellectual level is not individual. The Intellectual level should > reflect/ and be aware, of all.
Aren't you personifying the intellectual level as an individual who is "aware?" I don't see how a abstract level can be aware. Bessie the cow is aware, but not property. > I have tried in my previous posts to make this clear in terms of the > intellectual level being ( as Bodvar argues) the S/O distinction. In the > spirit of Pirsig's MoQ it is not. Ham has difficulties with this, SOL > maintains this but I am getting used to the idea that Pirsig did not > intend > this. Can you cite a passage or two from Pirsig as evidence for your view of his intent? > There is a huge difference between the law and the spirit of the > law. The "spirit of the law" is open to wide interpretation, depending on individual views. > Pirsig has presented us with an assumption! (dare I say it: a > spirit underlying creation)! i.e Quality is reality (Lila p69)...we ( as > MoQ'ers on this Discuss) adhere to this and we believe in this > because reality makes much more sense to interpret it in the MoQ way than > it > does the SOM way...but it remains an assumption. Agree. All thought originates from assumptions, usually unrecognized. > It is the same as a political party representing you. It cannot be > done...hence the crisis in democracy at present. Hence :conflict! Democracy and political parties are social level values. > The 'true' (representation) can only be represented > mystically...something > 'the West' knows very little of. I'm sure you detect the self-contradiction in your statement about what is "true." Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
