> From: ARLO
> If you step back, and place the Christ myth in the human museum
> alongside
> humanity's other world mythologies, and ask "what are they all
> trying to say?
> what is the indescribable Void, stripped of their cultural veneer,
> to which
> they point, and what are the strengths and weakness of each?" you
> are in a
> higher Quality dialogue about the Mythos and how it informs
> human-kind.
MP: That is exactly what I am doing with dmb. That I myself cling to my
religious
belief does not (that I can tell) preclude me from being capable at
intellectual
introspection about it, namely in an MoQ context.
My point about theism with dmb is two fold; (1) theism has a clear definition
that
is stripped of cultural context and should be used that way, because (2) as a
concept it can still offer Quality if the cultural context in which it touches
down is
prepped for it.
I'm saying the same thing you are saying only coming from the opposite end;
from the mythos end. Being theistic, I *am* what you are looking for here;
> From: ARLO
> What we can do, IMO, is bring them up to the level of dialogue about Myth
> that Campbell (and Pirsig)
> advocate. We can tease apart the metaphor from the local cultural-historical
> stories,
> point to the larger mythological commonalities, historical lineages, etc.
> that define the human condition. In short, we can advocate rejecting the
> exoteric in favor of the esoteric, rejecting the words of the story for the
> meaning,
> and encourage people to stop worrying about whose finger is pointing,
> but what it is that all fingers seem to be pointing towards.
MP: My personal faith, in my presonal "myth" I call Orthodox Christianity, sees
God is indescribeable. Our faith in that sense is that we can't understand God
(and as such include the admission that we could create a theology that does
either) but that God (and I'm happy to substitute Pirsig's "Quality") will work
us
in a good ("quality") direction if we remain open and accepting of it when we
see it in our daily lives. Yes... that's still me in a mythos. But the level of
understanding that the mythos is only our pathetic attempt to quantify the
unquantifiable (Quality) is IMO high enough that it shows there is a way to
allow
theism to remain as long as culture needs it AND move toward quality.
But lest just keep in mind that in many ways believing in "Quality" is
bordering
on theism. Its just a human appreciation of the same thing at a more
intellectual
level than belieing in God/Yaweh/Allah as those were more intellectual levels
than the gods that preceded G/Y/A. But I assure you, that in 5000 years,
Quality
will be equally regarded as a cultural myth. To presume we have found the
ultimate answer is arrogance beyond measure.
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