Hey Andre, I think Michael is approaching this pragmatically, the question being "is theism usefull in a Quality way?" sure, but it also perpetuates objectivism (SOM) which is the downside which ultimately will interfere with a quality understanding of what MoQ proposes. In effect when it comes right down to the major abstract concepts and their understanding, the two will conflict. This is what needs to be expressed to him.. Utimately essentialism is the problem.
- Ron ________________________________ From: Andre Broersen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:02:52 PM Subject: Re: [MD] new blog MP says: ... that God (and I'm happy to substitute Pirsig's "Quality") will work us in a good ("quality") direction if we remain open and accepting of it when we see it in our daily lives'. Andre: Michael, you are suggesting that quality 'does' something. This is completely misunderstanding... . Quality does not cause or do anything. It seems your god does...fine... but please, in this process do not substitute the one for the other. Theism, of any description or conception misses the point completely. MP; But lest just keep in mind that in many ways believing in "Quality" is bordering on theism. Andre: I like to think of myself as an MoQ'er but I do not believe in Quality. This is the same as saying I believe in air, fairies, leprechauns, gravity, John Lennon. How can one believe in something that cannot be defined? How can you believe in something outside of yourself Michael? Think about this very carefully please. For what it is worth. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
