Ham: What concerns me, and I suspect Michael as well, is that the MoQ is a belief system founded on Quality which its author equates with Value. Yet he posits this value in a realm of its own, independent of man, in effect making Value (Quality) the fundamental reality.
Andre: Hi Ham, I always appreciate your analytic skills and your posts but sometimes I sense that you still misunderstand some fundamental tenets of the MoQ. The MoQ 'a belief system' ??? Well, lets not quibble about how you use the word 'belief'. The MoQ is a framework for analysing and explaining reality (as we experience it). It seeks to make sense of, apparently disparate, events (in the broadest sense of the word) and place these within a framework in such a way as to make 'the whole' understandable. For me the MoQ has provided the highest quality explanations to date. Yes, it posits that Value/Quality is reality. Funny thing is that we are static patterns of value, inextricably linked to this Reality. See us as static 'extractions'/'representations' of this Quality. How you reach the conclusion that Pirsig 'posits this value in a realm of its own, independent of man' is I feel, a misconception. Positing that it is NOT independent of man explains man's (basic?) desire to 'transcend' his/her static patterns towards greater expressions of freedom (DQ) (freedom from [statically restrictive] biological/ social/ cultural/ intellectual patterns of value). For what it is worth. Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
