> Ron wrote > By asserting your closing phrase "But I'm game to discuss. Change of topic > subject?" > you imply that you have the arguement sewn up and that your view is THE view > end of discussion.. This is the arguement against theists you are > illustrating rather well. MP: No! No! LoL. Sorry! All I was asking was whether or not our list correspondence should have its subject changed from "Theism/epistemology" to some other subject.
> Ron wrote: > MP: "We *cannot* escape culture while remaining human." and > > MP: "I dare say it is an innate (an not un-importantly notably > unique) human drive to seek Quality in existence, Quality that > transcends existence." > ? > Ron: My arguement then using your exact words, if we can not escape culture > while remaining human , in other words human existence, then culture > defines human existence, therefore transcendence of human existence IS > transcendence of culture. MP: We cannot escape air while remaining human, but air does not define human existence. Human drive to transcendence is *not* a drive to transcend only culture any more than it is a drive to transcend only air. So, no... I do not accept all of your conclusions from thence forward with respect to human transcendence being limited to just culture. I do however accept the idea that the human drive to transcendence is intimately related to what I understand Pirsig identifies in his concept of Quality. > Ron: > This is a frightening proposition I know, for it leaves everything we know and > feel safe about behind. It challnges us to take responsibility for our own > expereince > and accept the uncertainty of life, this is where "intent" come into the > picture. > Forming direction and purpose for ones own life utilizing the most practicale > cultural values as they effect our immediate expereince. MP: But I don't find that frightening in the least. In fact it is how I have been raised in my faith in a theistic context. Its not easy, that I'll grant you. One of my most common prayers is "Lord I believe, help my unbelief." It is admittedly overtly theistic in nature, but nonetheless nothing less than a self motivational mantra to open oneself to Quality experience. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
