Andre: At the usual risk of having misunderstood the line of reasoning ...just some observations re Bodvar and Ham's exchange:
Ham: Experience IS "interpreting reality". Bodvar: Agree. No one living in an ordered universe can avoid interpreting reality (i.e. "having a metaphysics") Andre: (I think I know what you are suggesting Bodvar but I want clarity) Disagree! Experience is reality. The interpretations come afterwards. Ham: In order to accept the premise of a unified Dynamic Quality, we have to hypothesize that our "real world" does not exist. Andre: (Not sure what you mean by 'unified Dynamic Quality' Ham. You are suggesting something about DQ). Our 'real world' is an illusion if it is regarded as consisting of fixed subjects and objects and that being all there is and all that ever will be. Bodvar: Thus the true MOQ is the "Dynamic not anything/Static something" Andre: Agree! While Pirsig speaks about a Dynamic not anything/Static MOQ. Andre: A continuous bone of contention. I'll stick with your 'true' MOQ statement which is Pirsig's first slice. Ham: Not even the MoQ can do this without positing levels of quality, the divisions of which cannot logically be attributed to an undivided source. Andre: There is nothing logical about DQ.It defies intellectualisation and one will never do justice to it being approached in this way. Everytime you put your intellectual finger on it, it slips further and further away. Bodvar: Everything at the social was god-given, the individual a helpless instrument of the divine play . Andre: And now, everything social is intellect driven and the individual a helpless instrument of the rational game. SOM to the core. Is the MoQ a 'rebel' intellectual pattern? Or is it a Code of Art(full) living? The latter, the former or both? Let's go for both as they do complement eachother! Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
