Andre 25 Feb. u wrote:
> In anticipation of what you are promising us Bodvar I suggest that > faith does not precede reason. Rather, reason, an intellectual PoV > arisen out of Soc. Pov .... We are victims of the illusion that one's own subtle utterings will be understood in all their splendor ;-) It was Michael who introduced the reason/faith aggregate. and loosely translated into moqish it becomes: Society-as-faith precedes intellect-as-reason, but naturally the correct phrase is "the social level preceding the intellectual". > .., when not accepted by certain adherents (clinging) to certain > static Soc. PoV's i.e being sceptical about a particular level of > reasoning (as it did not meet/approved of their social experience) > being overwhelmed by this self same reason (ing) (DQ) developed a faith > ( adherence to SQ), a wishing away, of the hard facts based upon this > reason(ing)(DQ). Agree! > Thus faith and reason had to emerge simultaneously or around about the > same time. Reason is not out of faith.( In your example the cave man > never doubting the fact that the stars were gods). Faith is out of > reason. Here you understand THE idea. The term "faith" is intellect's creation. "faith vs reason" is just one of intellect's many pairs where it places itself in the superior right-hand position "subjective vs objective", mind vs matter" ... etc., All indicating that the right one is permanent while the left is fleeting, illusory. See, the Old Greek's SOMists resounding down through the millenniums. > The problem is that I think we are operating from a SOM perspective. > Faith (subjective) reason (objective). Never the twain shall meet. Or, > let's be rather more optimistic: the two are reconciled in a wonderful > dance of promise for the better. i.e Quality. Not you and me ... operating from SOM. Never! Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
