Hi Andre Feb 27. you said:
> As an addendum Bodvar I am asking these questions fron 'my' > intellect'...or am I asking them from somewhere else again. And Platt's question was: "What else is inside the 4th level? If nothing else, doesn't that make the 4th level the exclusive site of S/O metaphysics? Hopefully you noticed my "chautauqua" > Nothing else than S/O patterns. But allow me a little "chautauqua". > The very idea of the static levels is that they are built on top of the > former, thus the intellectual level is like the proverbial iceberg with > its intellectual value held above the surface by the enormous mass of the > lower levels. Yet, from the top seen everything is intellectual ice. > That's the point: all levels transform everything below into own value > (what's above is "alien"). Living organisms do not "know" any inorganic > patterns, it's either a fit environment or not.. Social organisms (humans) > see everything as useful or useless regarding their common cause, and as > said intellect "looks down on creation" through its S/O glasses and see it > all as preparations for the emergence of mind. So it's no lack of content, > all existence is a material world perceived by a mind - or a material > world having spawned mind, dependent on being a materialist or an > idealist. > Yes, the 4th. level is SOM - all of it, every last bit! Minus the M > which is taken over by the MOQ, that now sees everything below > itself as Quality levels. I understand perfectly what you mean. When someone asks a question - to you - it is his intellect that has formulated it ...no? But this is the view from inside the 4th. level where intellect=MIND the thinking faculty. So you ask from the 4th. level not knowing any MOQ. AKA SOM. What in a Q-view works out the question is your intelligence in intellect's service, it's like a computer in any user's service. Of course this sounds like mumbo-jumbo, but an inside-out turning of reality "will not come easy". For instance SOM was not readily grasped by the common Athens citizens? They surely looked to the old gods for guidance, it took hundred of years before the S/O split was obvious. This inertia is necessary, the most fundamental notion of reality can't change every other year, the MOQ will surely be "in SOM's service" for a long time, reined in by academical philosophological stuff. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
