Hi Marsha Bo before: > > "Intellect is the value of the "real/representative" distinction.
Marsha: > I do not understand this sentence. I see all > patterns having the same nature, but pointing to > referents of varying evolutionary standing, and > because of that, falling into the different There are different levels for the reason that patterns are NOT of the same nature. Inorganic patterns are incompatible with biological patterns and so on upwards. > levels. The pattern E = mc2 and its mathematical > meaning would fall into the Intellectual level. Yes? No? Yes, it is because it is supposed to be an objective"law" of nature, not merely a figment of Einstein's mind (ref. Newton's Gravity) SOM again.. > Thoughts? Bo? Anybody? I'll bring up my: "Intellect is the value of the "real/representative" distinction" sentence again and try a most "grotesque" application of it. SOList or not we all agree that the social level did not have the subject/object distinction (of which "representative versus real" is a form) now we also agree that formal religions are social patterns ...no? For me the most pure formal religion is Islam (Christendom is heavily intellect-influenced) and a muslim fundamentalist will blow himself to smithereens because killing islam's enemies will grant him an eternal life in paradise. The point is that afterlife, paradise and such aren't spiritual to social level dwellers, but very corporeal and sensual. This is what intellect has driven its S/O wedge into and if not totally made religions into dubious subjective state of MIND (as the scientific skeptical branch has it) then at least made the afterlife ..etc. into a soul-ish, spiritual experience (as the intellect- influenced Christendom has it). Do you now understand why I call the subject/object split (or mind/matter) intellect's VALUE and why I alternate between praising and accusing it? It has disarmed religious fanaticism yet when it comes to you (folks) your total immersion in intellect makes you incapable of understanding the MOQ. ...if not this is a turning point? Must add that this is just one single aspect of intellect's "control" of social value. Bo . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
