dmb says: This "outrageous" claim is exactly what I've been trying to explain.
Andre: (dmb is referring to Bodvar's claim that Pirsig has stated that 'SOM is an moq'). I doubt this very much. I do remember Mr. Pirsig saying that the S/O science is a quality intellectual pattern. dmb: It has everything to do with the other claim we're debating, namely that the MOQ is different from Quality it talks about. Andre Hi David, interesting. My reading is slightly different to yours. I understand that Pirsig, when building his metaphysics, had to make the first slice and he sliced Quality into two sections: DQ and SQ 'and this became the basic division of his emerging Metaphysics of Quality.(Lila p119) I am reading this as the MoQ NOT being 'different from the quality it talks about'. I.e the MoQ= DQ/SQ. I think that this is also the way Bodvar sees it (Bodvar prick your ears please, correct me if I'm wrong!!) and the source of a lot of confusion. For me, it clears up the pre-conceptual/ conceptual dichotomy suggested as being the workings of language application. Indeed we are led to believe so but this occurs only within SOM upon which such distinctions are based and are not only posited as such but then assumed to be Reality itself. (the 'M' part of the SO).This fallacy is something the MoQ has exposed. My question, David relates to this in the line where you state:' It has everything to do with the difference between DQ and sq'. Aren't SPOV's patterns of Quality derived from/ expressions of DQ? But have they then lost their 'Quality' status?? Is there a difference? Isn't SQ 'patterned' DQ? When I describe myself as a SPOV am I describing myself as a concept of SPoV's or as the 'real' patterns? In other words, does the description somehow makes the reality of my patterns an illusion. What do you think? Am I making sense? Regards Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
