Krimel said to dmb: I think you are confused a tad here. I would read this as: The Tao (Quality) that can be named (SQ/DQ) is not the real Tao (Quality). DQ/SQ are yin and yang the opposites that reveal themselves as two side of the Quality coin. You view banishes Quality from the MoQ.
dmb says: Right back at you. I think you're confused. Yin and yang are both static, they represent the world of the pairs of opposites, the conceptual distinctions we make such as male and female, active and passive, etc. [Krimel] That is correct they are concepts. If we are going to talk, we are going to have to use them. Just as "Quality" refers to the undefined; static and dynamic are the children of the first cleavage. [dmb] But undivided quality is not chopped up like that. In terms of the symbol of Taoism, Dynamic Quality is the whole undifferentiated field of experience from which this distinctions arise. That's WHY the Tao cannot be named and WHY DQ can't be defined; because names and definitions are static. [Krimel] Yes and that is why we name the coiled tadpoles inside the field, Yin and Yang; Static and Dynamic. Thus the Tao can remain nameless and like YHWH its name cannot be spoken... [dmb] They way you put it - assuming you understand that Quality has not yet been subdivided but included both DQ and sq - would make no sense at all. In that case your sentence would look like this: The Tao (SQ/DQ) that can be named (SQ/DQ) is not the real Tao (SQ/DQ). [Krimel] To understand The Way we have to conceptualize it. Active and Passive are the first cut. [dmb] As I understand it, DQ is the whole symbol of Taoism, the undivided circle. SQ is the yin and yang, the divisions within that circle. This would be like a piece of paper with a diagram of the four levels of static quality written on it. In that case, DQ is not represented within the diagram but is more like the paper its written on. [Krimel] No yin is black and passive. It is the moon and water. Yang is white and active. It is sun and fire. This explains the origin of the symbol: http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/YinYang.htm It reflects the length of the shadow of a stick as is grows and shrinks during the course of a year. The symbol itself is literally derived from the principles of Yin and Yang. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
