Hey Bo, > Bo before: > > > See, social, inorganic and biological values are made into > > > intellectual "signs" and "manipulated independently ...etc" exactly > > > as SOM sees language as an abstract shadow of the real world. All > > > this go against the very grain of the real MOQ that has relegated > > > the S/O - mind/matter - distinction as intellect's value. I.e. this > > > is all INSIDE the 4th. level . > > Platt: > > Probably a stupid question: "What else is inside the 4th level?" > > Nothing else than S/O patterns.
That's what I thought, but wanted to double check. Other ways to say it are: "Nothing but S/O patterns in the Intellectual Level," or "The Intellectual Level consists exclusively of S/O patterns," or "In the 4th level you will only find S/O patterns." But allow me a little "chautauqua". > The very idea of the static levels is that they are built on top of the > former, thus the intellectual level is like the proverbial iceberg with > its intellectual value held above the surface by the enormous mass > of the lower levels. Yet, from the top seen everything is intellectual > ice. That's the point: all levels transform everything below into own > value (what's above is "alien"). Living organisms do not "know" any > inorganic patterns, it's either a fit environment or not.. Social > organisms (humans) see everything as useful or useless regarding > their common cause, and as said intellect "looks down on creation" > through its S/O glasses and see it all as preparations for the > emergence of mind. So it's no lack of content, all existence is a > material world perceived by a mind - or a material world having > spawned mind, dependent on being a materialist or an idealist. I'm glad you emphasize viewpoint and "glasses" through which we not only see but also interpret (know) experience. The "Cleveland Harbor Effect" is an example of mistaken seeing while S/O assumptions guide current popular interpretations of reality (knowledge). > > If nothing else, doesn't that make the 4th level the exclusive site of > > S/O metaphysics? > > Yes, the 4th. level is SOM - all of it, every last bit! Minus the M > which is taken over by the MOQ, that now sees everything below > itself as Quality levels. Again, it's good to be reminded that the MOQ is a new, loftier viewpoint that sees S/O as the Intellectual Level and interprets that level as the home of a valueless, science-oriented Weltanschauung. Thanks for the clarification, Bo. Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
