Krimel said: Quality and "simple biological self preservation" are one and the same thing. [AND HE SAID] So Quality in this way has a much greater significance that "simple biological self preservation".
dmb says: I think these statements are at odds with each and that the latter is better. I think they're in sync if we say "simple biological self preservation" is a static 2nd level response to Quality. [Krimel] Ok, at the 2nd static level, Quality and "simple biological self preservation" are one and the same thing. But I think it is a bit more than that. If Quality is the striving for "betterness" Things starting running together. [dmb] To say they are one and the same is to explain DQ in reductionistic, materialistic terms. [Krimel] If you can show how any of this is specifically reductionist in the greedy sense or materialist is some seen other than the one Pirsig says is ok then do it. Other wise this is just bumperstickerige. [dmb] If the hot stove example was meant to be a discussion of physiology he could have just said it was instinct and the sense of touch that gets you off the stove. This is not wrong, so much as beside the point. [Krimel] Seems to me that since the hot stove example is best explained in terms of physiology than anything else said about it is beside the point. [dmb] Yes, he's saying that the sense of quality is completely natural and non-intellectual, as even Arlo's dog knows, but biological responses to Quality are just one of the ways of responding. Not that I've ever walked on hot coals. But I have napped in the sun. [Krimel] In the fractal structure of human conceptual patterning, biological patterns form a huge thick truck from which many branches spring. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
