Mark: In the deterministic world of science, chance is a measure of ignorance. When a scientist doesn't know what causes a certain effect, like mind emerging from mud, the effect is attributed to chance, i.e, "I haven't the faintest idea, so don't ask." Similarly, what causes an electric lump of meat to enjoy a Rachmaninov concerto is beyond science's materialistic mentality. So is a conundrum like, "The theory that all is matter and energy consists of neither matter nor energy."
In the vernacular of the street, "Science has a lot of 'splaining to do." Platt > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:36:37 AM, "Platt Holden" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Platt wrote: > > > > > > Both quantum theory and evolution depend on the assumption that > > > chance > > > has creative power. Compare to the MOQ assumption that DQ has > > > creative power... > > > > MP: It does? Am I missing something? > > "Although Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this world > in > which we live, these patterns of static quality, the quality of order, > preserve our world. Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive > without > the other." (Lila, 9) > > Platt > > > I'm not sure about this concept of chance, unless you want to take it all > the way. Chance arrises when we believe two systems are interacting, > without any connection between the two. Mutation is happening and meets > the demands of the environment, as an evolutionist would declare. Both > the mutation and the environment are created through chance, hmm... I flip > a coin, and it comes up heads, what are the chances I would flip that > coin? You have a gambler randomly running around pulling slot machines > and a jackpot happens. Is neither the machine nor the gambler responsible > for the jackpot, but instead something called chance? Is Quality Chance? > Is chance the way I should live my life minute to minute, or only when it > comes to speculation about what brought me here, not for what I'm doing. > > Doesn't a photon traveling trough space to create a genetic mutation have > just as much purpose and direction as me traveling to work to create a > product? Oh, I forgot, I am a spiritual being so I'm different, the > photon is just a chancy thingy; it's random, but my actions are not. No, > I prefer to think my purpose is just a random statistical event that has > no real direction or meaning (unless chance is extremely meaningful). > Direction? Purpose? What a stupid notion! The genetic code has no > purpose or direction, it is simply chance just like my choice of movies. > The laws of the universe are as they are simply through chance; gravity > you are lucky to be here... The love I feel for this life is as random as > a wave on the ocean. Hey, I like that, I can be as peaceful as the ocean, > I'm going to roll the dice... > > Later, > Willblake2 > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
