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---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:27:45 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ dichotomy > > Willblake2 > Yes Andre, I agree with you, I think. ?It is one system of thought trying to > interpret another, like applying science to religion, when maybe the > languages are not the same. ?I have a hard time interpreting a Russian, so > he must be mistaken. ?I suppose that an agreed upon interpretation in > required when we want to share experiences. ?Do you feel like I do about > this? > > Andre: > > Hi Willblake2, well 'science' and 'religion' try to describe 'reality' from > the same (given) data, with religion seeing a little more (or less) than > science and vice versa. From a SOM point of view never the twain shall meet > because their methods/ procedures of making sense of this reality is > fundamentally different (logic/rationality/reason vs faith). > > IMO the MoQ goes a long way to integrating these seemingly, diametrically > opposed schools of thought/ belief. What was required was a reinterpretation > of the fundamental stuff of reality. No subjects, no objects, no God. > Quality! So common, so simple, every child knows it. (see Lila pp158-161) > > And IMHO an 'agreed upon interpretation' is still a long way off. SOM being > the biggest obstacle. > > In another sense your questions reminded me of something that happened last > summer in a far off place in China. I was walking along a road with a > T-split. On one side of the road there were some rocks and stones lying > (about 1/4 on the road) and I kicked them off the road, thinking they had > fallen off a truck and they could be dangerous for cars and cyclists. I was > watched by three men. > Anyway, having cleared the road I continued my walk and turned to look back > after 100 yards or so. The three men were carefully putting the rocks and > stones back on the road! > Upon returning the men told me the rocks were there because the turn in the > road was a dangerous one. The rocks were a warning sign! > > Since then, I have seen many of these 'signs' on the various roads > travelled. Hi Andre How interesting! I'm reminded of my first trip to the mountains. Walking down an ill-defined trail I came to a fork. Not knowing which way to go, I determined to go left, fixing it in my mind so as not to become bewildered (I've never been lost but I have been bewildered at times) on my return trip. However, a short distance later I came to another fork in the path, this time sprouting off in 5 different directions. I sat down and pondered what to do. Then I noticed small piles of rock carefully stacked beside the intersection. It suddenly occurred to me that I'd seen those same piles of rock beside the last intersection but I paid them no mind. With a splash of recognition, I realized the cairns were signs. They pointed out the way to go. Taking care not to disturb the piles of rocks already in place, I gathered my own and made pointers to follow. That was over 15 years ago. Those piles still remain unmoved after all these years. We (generally) take what's available to construct signs. I may not understand Russian language but when my Russian friends smile at me, I understand. I take a smile as a universally understood goodwill greeting. Mathematics is universally understood as well. There may be many different names for number one but all those names point to the same description. And the subsequent equations built out of numbers are also universally understood by anyone schooled in mathematics no matter what language they speak. Science and religion are as Andre says built on a foundation of agreed upon interpretations. For religion it is a bible, a koran, etc. that believers rely on. A bible written in English and a bible written in Russian may differ so far as language but the fundamental message remains. It's the same with science. French researchers may formulate their findings using their own language but in order for it to be science (agreed upon interpretation) those findings have to be repeatable in any language other researchers happen to be employing. We construct tools from what exists. Use comes from what does not. So, we need to be educated. Thanks, Dan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
