Marsha, He probably hung out in bars off the reservation,, handouts perhaps, drinking is frouned upon on most reservations. I mean to say that he was static from the Zuni perspective,Like Dan's example of the man who lived by the river, seperated from society, we recognize him as a dynamic character, from the Zuni view he was sort of a washed up relic of the old ways as most people in our own society would view a street person. I always have been kind of an oddball, because mostly I've seen that what most people take as "real" always seemed fabricated, fake to a degree. social construct. I used to run with a local Brujo, Ray. A retired school teacher, divorced, married for a short time in his youth, bi-sexual, a bard and brilliant writer. He rarely bathed, drinking cheap vodka and unsweatened kool-aid from a plastic jug he seldom washed, it had flakes and particles floating in it but everytimed he offered me a drink, I accepted. When I knew him he was in his sixties, did not work, collected cans to turn in to buy koolaid vodka and popcorn which he subsisted mostly on., and an occasional can of soup from the dented can store, he owned a delapedated old house I'd come over and help mainatain for him, plumbing ceased to function years ago. I learned alot about life from Raym, born without a middle name. traveled west with him in a beat up old ford truck for 400$ round trip,(gas mostly) we slept along the road, got drunk and high, sang songs, wrote poetry and taught me what it meant to truly be free while touring the natural wonders of this country. He taught me an appreciation for classical music art and poetry he introduced me to Mr. Pirsig and his Books and philosophy. Society saw Ray as an old bum, people could not understand what I saw in him I thought he was the most dynamic person I'd ever met.
-Ron ________________________________ From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:04:47 AM Subject: Re: [MD] The Brujo Greetings Ron, What of the fact that the Brujo was collaborating with the Whites? That seems to me he was heading in a new direction. I am not challenging you, I am curious how you are experiencing this episode. What you have written below I have never considered, and it seems it could be accurate. Have you ever considered yourself an oddball, meaning moving against the wind? Was that just a matter of being left behind or dancing to a different set of drums? So what was the situation for the Brujo? Marsha At 06:14 AM 3/21/2009, you wrote: >Marsha, >The Brujo was not some brash individual trying to bring DQ to Zuni society, >he was the straggeler, the most static of the tribe, he hadn't a >place in their society >anymore so he resorted to peeping in windows to find out what was going on >in the community. The tribe council, by making a place for him >within their government >giving him the cutting edge power once again, broke his power as he thought, >but what the Zuni did was place the position of Brujo at the dynamic >cutting edge >once more. The Brujo was'nt very happy about it at first, it wasn't >the old way >yet it was but redefined in a dynamic solution that restored his worth within >the community. > >-Ron > > > > >________________________________ >From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:04:51 AM >Subject: Re: [MD] The Brujo > >At 08:32 PM 3/20/2009, you wrote: > >The Brujo, > >My freinds, was a dinosaur, a remnant of the old geneations. The dynamism > >lies in Zuni society. In the ability to graft the old ways with the > >new ways of > >the whites. > >The brujo, had nothing to do with the teaching parts of the story > >Pirisig told, the fact that the Brujo is touted as the vehicle for > >DQ bothers and infuriates me. Sometimes you guys are so off base > >that it's almost embarassing. > >Hi Ron, > >Please explain more, I can be pretty dense. > > >Marsha > > > > > > >. >_____________ > >Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... >. >. > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ . _____________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... . . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
