Hi Arlo, That is how I saw your exchange with MP as well, but he sounds very frustrated, so maybe we misunderstood something.
Best, Steve On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> wrote: > [Michael] > Post the link where I did otherwise or shut the hell up about it already, > its getting annoying and childish. > > [Arlo] > YOU said, that the AFFIRMATION of that experience AS Quality takes faith. > > I asked, does all experience "affirmed" take faith? If not, provide ONE > experience we affirm AS something that does NOT take faith. > > You couldn't name one. Can you now? > > You said, "As such, I was right; you have no place to affirm that Quality is > any more valid than Leprechaunism, as they are both based on faith, and as > such all entirely a subjective choice to believe in one thing or another as > being true, valid or even real." > > Hence, leprechauns, god or Quality are all matters of "faith". We have no > more evidence of Quality than we do of Leprechauns of God. > > You think you get around the reductionism by saying you are "using a > specific definition of faith". "It's all just flavors of Kool-Aid". > > You keep insisting *I* said all this, when it my MY assertion that Quality > requires NO faith that got your dander up. YOU replied saying "believing" in > Quality is akin to "believing" in god or leprechauns. I said NO. YOU said > YES. > > So then I asked, if Quality takes faith... WHAT DOESN'T? > > This was when you replied "experiencing Quality" does not require faith, but > "affirming" that experience as Quality takes faith. > > So I asked (as I stated above), does ALL experience AFFIRMED require faith? > Or are there some experiences we can "affirm" that does not require "faith" > in so doing? Can you give examples? > > So here you go. As straight as I can say it. Quality DOES NOT require faith. > Hence, how you claim that *I* am reducing everything to "faith" is just > horrible rhetoric. > > YOU say it ALL requires faith. I ask, if Quality requires faith, what > DOESN'T? YOU have wrapped a blanket of "faith" around Quality to protect > "theism" from being dismissed as being "faith-based". But YOUR blanket > catches everything, and your only escape is that you dissect faith into > different kinds of "faith". But its all still faith. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
