> [Krimel] > But social structure and reciprocal altruism are now recognized > as successful strategies for evolutionary success.
[Platt] Still to be answered by Krimel and has biology buddies is, "Why strive for evolutionary success?" "Why survive at all?" [Krimel] The answer to that is so patently obvious it hardly deserves consideration. We strive to survive because we are descended from survivors. It really is that simple. We have built into our DNA mechanisms, urges, emotions and needs that facilitate our survival. Those who do not have this inbred need do not survive. The questions is idiotic. It's like asking why don't we breath water? Survival is the imperative of all living things. Without it there would be no living things. [Kirmel] > They also give the lie to the view you and Platt champion of the > triumph of the individual over the evil forces of society. [Platt] Check out individual vs. society rights in the U.S. Constitution. Also review the standard of living provided by individualistic capitalism vs. collectivist economic systems. [Krimel] As you ought to know there is very little talk about individual rights in the constitution itself. That is why the Bill of Rights was added. In case you haven't read the Preamble recently here it is: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Notice the plurals? We the People. In order to secure our rights ban together collectively to provide the COMMON defense and promote the GENERAL welfare... This is a statement of our collective duties and social responsibilities. There is not one word about capitalism in the entire document. The only way to read the Constitution as a Capitalist Manifesto is through an activist interpretation that violates the doctrine of original intent. I am shock to hear you advance such a notion. > [Krimel] > In fact we inherit the ability and the necessity to respond and > interact effectively with others of our kind and these innate abilities > shape the kinds of societies that we live in. [Platt] What shapes the success of U.S. society is individual responsibility, free markets and openness to DQ. Furthermore, the great achievers who drive evolution in the arts and sciences are for the most part rugged individual contrarians, like Galileo, Beethoven, Cezanne and Pirsig. [Krimel] Right, that would be individual responsibility to society. Free market? Look around dude, that's working real well. Raygunomics worked to dismantle government regulation and what a surprise, it produced the kind of depression that led to regulation in the first place. Unless you equate DQ with greed I see no advantage whatever to your fantasy free market. What drove the success of the individuals you mention was the stability provided by the social structures that supported them. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
