> > [Krimel] > > But social structure and reciprocal altruism are now recognized > > as successful strategies for evolutionary success. > > [Platt] > Still to be answered by Krimel and has biology buddies is, "Why strive for > evolutionary success?" "Why survive at all?" > > [Krimel] > The answer to that is so patently obvious it hardly deserves > consideration. > We strive to survive because we are descended from survivors. It really > is > that simple. We have built into our DNA mechanisms, urges, emotions and > needs that facilitate our survival. Those who do not have this inbred > need > do not survive. The questions is idiotic. It's like asking why don't we > breath water? Survival is the imperative of all living things. Without > it > there would be no living things.
A great non-answer. As Pirsig asked, "If life is strictly a result of the physical and chemical forces of nature then why is life opposed to these same forces in its struggle to survive?" Krimel's thoughtful answer, "Don't ask." > [Kirmel] > > They also give the lie to the view you and Platt champion of the > > triumph of the individual over the evil forces of society. > > [Platt] > Check out individual vs. society rights in the U.S. Constitution. Also > review the standard of living provided by individualistic capitalism vs. > collectivist economic systems. > > [Krimel] > As you ought to know there is very little talk about individual rights > in > the constitution itself. That is why the Bill of Rights was added. In > case > you haven't read the Preamble recently here it is: > > "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect > union, > establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common > defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty > to > ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution > for > the United States of America." > > Notice the plurals? We the People. In order to secure our rights ban > together collectively to provide the COMMON defense and promote the > GENERAL > welfare... This is a statement of our collective duties and social > responsibilities. There is not one word about capitalism in the entire > document. The only way to read the Constitution as a Capitalist Manifesto > is > through an activist interpretation that violates the doctrine of > original > intent. I am shock to hear you advance such a notion. Just for your information, the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution. "Freedom of speech; freedom of assembly, of travel; trial by jury; habeas corpus; government by consent-these "human rights" are all intellect-vs.- society issues." (Lila, 24) > > [Krimel] > > In fact we inherit the ability and the necessity to respond and > > interact effectively with others of our kind and these innate > abilities > > shape the kinds of societies that we live in. > > [Platt] > What shapes the success of U.S. society is individual responsibility, free > markets and openness to DQ. Furthermore, the great achievers who drive > evolution in the arts and sciences are for the most part rugged individual > contrarians, like Galileo, Beethoven, Cezanne and Pirsig. > > [Krimel] > Right, that would be individual responsibility to society. Free market? > Look > around dude, that's working real well. Raygunomics worked to dismantle > government regulation and what a surprise, it produced the kind of > depression that led to regulation in the first place. Unless you equate > DQ > with greed I see no advantage whatever to your fantasy free market. > > What drove the success of the individuals you mention was the stability > provided by the social structures that supported them. Right, a social structure that supports individual freedom/responsibility, private property, free markets and protection from biological crime. As for absence of regulation leading to depression, you are woefully ignorant of history. Just for starters dude, you might want to check the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
