> Krimel (insinuating that I don't read the articles I publish on my
website):
> Did you actually read the article? The thrust of it is that
> morality and our sense of beauty arise from our evolutionary
> heritage. We are biologically hardwired to sense some things
> as good and some things as bad. Reason is a capacity in
> humans that evolved much later and it serves primarily to
> clarify the built in heuristics that emotions provide.

That's not my interpretation of Brooks and his quoted sources.  The only 
reference to "evolution" relates to morality in the social order.  Brooks:
"The question 
then becomes: What shapes moral emotions in the first place?  The answer has

long been evolution, but in recent years there's an increasing appreciation 
that evolution isn't just about competition.  It's also about cooperation 
within groups.  Like bees, humans have long lived or died based on their 
ability to divide labor, help each other and stand together in the face of 
common threats. ..."

[Krimel]
What I meant to insinuate was that you did not understand Brooks' article
nor the context of his quotes. Your reply here suggests I was right about
this. Brooks and his sources are saying that the view that only competition
drives evolution is wrong. We know that cooperation, is an equally powerful
force. Social structures evolve in honey bees and other social insects just
as they do in mammals. Acting in concert with others is as effective in
insuring the survival of a species as being a bad ass predator. In fact all
of nature is an intricate web of independence and symbiosis. 

Brooks points out that a particular view of evolution, in fact the view
Pirsig argues against, is no longer thought to be primary. It is Pirsig's
failure to grasp this that mars his dismal evolution chapter in Lila. But
social structure and reciprocal altruism are now recognized as successful
strategies for evolutionary success. They also give the lie to the view you
and Platt champion of the triumph of the individual over the evil forces of
society. In fact we inherit the ability and the necessity to respond and
interact effectively with others of our kind and these innate abilities
shape the kinds of societies that we live in.

Emotions are in fact almost unique among mammals. They are critical to the
bonding of parents with their young. This is vital for mammals whose
offspring are born immature. Among the social primates emotions have evolved
that are specifically social in nature; pride and shame, love. We have
evolved elaborate means of expressing emotion in the muscles of our faces
and the structure of our voice boxes. The vocabulary of facial expression
and vocal inflection are the lingua franca of all mankind and this emotional
vocabulary is hardwired.

[Ham]
"Moral judgments," he says, are " ...rapid intuitive decisions and involve 
the emotion-processing parts of the brain.  Reasoning comes later, and is 
often guided by the emotions that preceded it."  Clearly, he doesn't mean 
later in evolution, but later in the individual's reasoning process.  This 
statement, incidentally, supports Pirsig's assertion that value is 
"pre-intellectual" experience.  It's also why I distinguish 
value-sensibility (psycho-emotional awareness) from experience (intellectual

cognizance).

[Krimel]
The ability to instantly process input emotionally is one of the hallmarks
of almost all animals but it is especially pronounced in mammals who can
read, not only the salient features of the environment, but the emotional
state of other members of the species. As I have tried to explain several
times now, all sensory input except smell is first routed to the midbrain or
"mammalian brain." The amygdala is the midbrain structure that assesses
whether the incoming data is "good" or "bad". It does this instantly. All of
our emotional responses have a physiological signature that is involuntary,
hardwired and genetically encoded.

What he says about the priority of processing applies equally to individual
appraisals of the world around us and to our evolutionary heritage. We
evolved the ability to test our emotional judgments with reason because
reason can improve upon the built-in heuristics the emotions provide. Reason
allows us to bring the experiences of the past to bear on the circumstances
of the present. We abstract rules and logical evaluations, concepts, from
our past perceptions and they can often be more effective guides than raw
emotional judgments. But the emotional responses are more deeply rooted in
the history of our species than in our individual history.

When Pirsig talks about the "pre-intellectual" I think he can only be
referring to this more ancient and hardwired aspect of our nature. As usual
I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Ham]
The idea that humans are "hardwired to sense some things as good and some as

bad" contradicts the principle of free choice.  The brain's wiring 
facilitates the integration of sensory information, not our realization of 
value.  What Brooks is saying is that we form "an implicit preference" for 
everything we look at.  Although the brain is an evolutionary development, 
"...what our brain has evolved for is to find what is of value in our 
environment."

[Krimel]
We are "hardwired to sense some things as good and some as bad" but we learn
through experience which specific things to regard as good and which as bad.
We come into the world prepared to respond positively to certain things,
especially faces and breast milk and negatively to others, loud noises, pain
and hunger. We are also prepared to encode our experiences into memory, not
only the experience of our senses but our emotional responses to them. We
remember not only what happened but whether we liked it or not; what it
"felt" like. It is this emotional memory that serves to guide our responses
to the present environment.

The "principle of free choice" is something of an illusion. Our choices are
always constrained not only by what is presented to us in the world but by
our biology and our history. As E. O Wilson once put it, the question is not
whether or not biology determines behavior but the extent to which it
determines it. We are not free to grow wings and fly of our own accord. We
cannot run at 100 miles per hour. It is unlikely that we can even train
ourselves to enjoy the taste of excrement. These are all biological
constraints on free will.

The abilities Brooks is talking about result for our biological hardwiring
interacting and changing in response to the world that we live in. As I said
originally what we do and what we think is the product of our biology, our
history and the present circumstances.

[Ham]
If we were hardwired to sense things as either good or bad, there would be 
no need to "find our values" but instead would all agree on what is good. 
In that case, human behavior would be uniform and developing a collective 
morality system would be superfluous.

[Krimel]
We are hardwired to experience things as good or bad but we must learn which
things are good and which things are bad. The range of possible human
behaviors is absolutely constrained by biology. We must have nourishment and
oxygen. We can't breathe under water or eat gravel. We cannot have a society
that values eating children as Jonathan Swift once suggested. Human behavior
actually is relatively uniform and morality serves to make is even more so.
Once again this is a case in which static patterns are the ones we value
most.



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