[Marsha] > It seems the sun has gotten hotter, and colder, and the earth > adjusted both ways.
Don't you believe the sun will eventually die out like other stars? [Marsha] > And of course humans are a part of the world, > but so were dinosaurs. Yes, and they died out giving life a lesson in survival leading to human beings with the ability to fend off an errant meteor and eventually escape this planet for a better one. [Marsha] > There are probably as many opinions about > purpose as there are stars in the sky. Yes, but purpose is built into the universe. Life is living proof. [Marsha] > I cannot think that your > opinion is truer than mine. Since opinions are static patterns of > value, none are absolutely true. Which means your assertion about none being absolutely true isn't absolutely true. As for opinions, some are better than others, like paintings in a gallery. Platt > At 11:14 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote: > >Marsha, > > > >I don't consider humans apart from the world. On the contrary. They are > >very much part of earth as well as the universe, being structured from > >inorganic and biological patterns. That's why it has always amused me > when > >a scientist denies the universe has no purpose while at the same time > her > >purposeful life makes her denial a lie. To put it another way, I wonder > >what her purpose might be in stating the universe has no purpose. Such > >statements are as self-refuting as, "There are no absolutes." As for > Gaia > >its days are numbered because the sun will eventually burn out. By that > >time humans will have had to find a way to populate other planets or > they > >too will be history. But just as life discover strategems to overcome > >physical and chemical forces, I'm confident it will find a way, by > >responding to DQ, to survive the earth's eventual demise. > > > >Platt > > > Platt, > > > > > > Betterness from the point-of-view of 'this world' as compared to the > > > betterness of DQ's total freedom? Is this the betterness > > > missing? Well you may be correct. There doesn't seem to be any > > > consideration for stability in most of the scientific drive for > > > economic progress. I like better James Lovelock's Gaia > > > point-of-view, which says that in the end Earth will survive as it > is > > > a self-correcting system. Mr. Lovelock is also optimistic in > > > thinking that there will be humans that survive too. And the Gaia > > > hypothesis seems more like the MOQ interrelationship between static > > > and dynamic forces. > > > > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:21 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote: > > > >Marsha, > > > > > > > >"But static patterns, nevertheless, provide a necessary stabilizing > > > force > > > >to protect Dynamic progress from degeneration. Although Dynamic > > > Quality, > > > >the Quality of freedom, creates this world in which we live, these > > > patterns > > > >of static quality, the quality of order, preserve our world. > Neither > > > static > > > >nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other." (Lila, 9) > > > > > > > >Does this passage answer your question? > > > > > > > >Platt > > > > > > > > > > > > > Platt, > > > > > > > > > > Does RMP specifically use the word 'progress'? Is freedom > always > > > > > progress? From what point-of-view? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:11 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote: > > > > > >Hi Marsha, KO, DMB, et al: > > > > > > > > > > > >The big thing missing from current evolution theories and > > > applications > > > > > is > > > > > >any notion of things getting better or, as we MOQer's believe, > > > progress > > > > > >towards greater freedom and versatility. It has always bothered > me > > > that > > > > > >precious little attention is paid to ever expanding > consciousness > > > over > > > > > time > > > > > >from the first little wiggle of life to the worldly mind of a > Mozart > > > or > > > > > an > > > > > >Einstein. In other words, science, totally dependent on > measurable > > > > > surface > > > > > >data, has largely been unable to deal with the steady > evolutionary > > > > > >expansion of interior awareness, the real indicator of Dynamic > > > > > progress, > > > > > >"Are you better off as a woman than a mouse?" The MOQ answer: > "You > > > > > betcha." > > > > > >That's progress! > > > > > > > > > > > >Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
