KO,
Mostly science is mechanistic, materialistic and reductionistic. I
agree science has yielded more for people than the theistic
religions, some of it good, some of it not so good. Theistic
religions don't make any sense to me either.
Marsha
At 11:56 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
Marsha, i have never said i think science is the be all and end all. Science
as you point out is constantly under revue, amendment and enhancement. I
dont believe i have exhibited a lack of humility - all i did was say my
point of view. I just think that the scientific approach has yielded more
for people than the religious, and it has sense to it whereas religion for
me makes little sense.
-KO
2009/4/14 MarshaV <[email protected]>
>
> KO,
>
> Yes he is a scientist. I never totally dis'd or dismissed science. I like
> science. I just believe science, even evolution, can be challenged. There
> is nothing absolute about the current scientific points-of-view, and I
> resent the lack of humility.
>
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
> At 11:02 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
>
>> And Mr Lovelock is a scientist.
>>
>> -KO
>>
>> 2009/4/14 MarshaV <[email protected]>
>>
>> >
>> > Platt,
>> >
>> > Betterness from the point-of-view of 'this world' as compared to the
>> > betterness of DQ's total freedom? Is this the betterness missing? Well
>> you
>> > may be correct. There doesn't seem to be any consideration for
>> stability in
>> > most of the scientific drive for economic progress. I like better James
>> > Lovelock's Gaia point-of-view, which says that in the end Earth will
>> survive
>> > as it is a self-correcting system. Mr. Lovelock is also optimistic in
>> > thinking that there will be humans that survive too. And the Gaia
>> > hypothesis seems more like the MOQ interrelationship between static and
>> > dynamic forces.
>> >
>> >
>> > Marsha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 10:21 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> Marsha,
>> >>
>> >> "But static patterns, nevertheless, provide a necessary stabilizing
>> force
>> >> to protect Dynamic progress from degeneration. Although Dynamic
>> Quality,
>> >> the Quality of freedom, creates this world in which we live, these
>> >> patterns
>> >> of static quality, the quality of order, preserve our world. Neither
>> >> static
>> >> nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other." (Lila, 9)
>> >>
>> >> Does this passage answer your question?
>> >>
>> >> Platt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Platt,
>> >> >
>> >> > Does RMP specifically use the word 'progress'? Is freedom always
>> >> > progress? From what point-of-view?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Marsha
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 09:11 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
>> >> > >Hi Marsha, KO, DMB, et al:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >The big thing missing from current evolution theories and
>> applications
>> >> > is
>> >> > >any notion of things getting better or, as we MOQer's believe,
>> progress
>> >> > >towards greater freedom and versatility. It has always bothered me
>> that
>> >> > >precious little attention is paid to ever expanding consciousness
>> over
>> >> > time
>> >> > >from the first little wiggle of life to the worldly mind of a Mozart
>> or
>> >> > an
>> >> > >Einstein. In other words, science, totally dependent on measurable
>> >> > surface
>> >> > >data, has largely been unable to deal with the steady evolutionary
>> >> > >expansion of interior awareness, the real indicator of Dynamic
>> >> > progress,
>> >> > >"Are you better off as a woman than a mouse?" The MOQ answer: "You
>> >> > betcha."
>> >> > >That's progress!
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Platt
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