Hi Marsha, Emptiness is fine with me, if I understand what you mean. The inside of a bowl is empty as the Tao would say.
Willblake2 On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:24:48 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: Will, I didn't know anything of Buddhism until I read Nagarjuna's MKK. Emptiness seems intuitively right to me. Since then I've read plenty more and my intuitive attraction just gets stronger. The Buddhist traditions, the Four Noble Truths, the Eightfold Path, are beautiful and I try to follow as best I can, but it is the logic that has bitten me. I see Quality synonymous with Emptiness, and experience as primary. Marsha At 01:43 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote: >HI Marsha, > >My understanding and experience of Buddhism, is the release from >clinging. When the wind blows, I feel cold. To a Buddhist, the >wind blows right through him. The most recent Buddha was obsessed >with suffering and wanted to be released from it. Some of my most >meaningful learning and experiences have come through suffering; I >welcome it, knowing it is temporary . > >Buddhist live on a flat line, I live on a wave, up and down, yin and >yang. I often feel that Buddhist are the ultimate escapists, like >heroin addicts, who only want to experience peace and joy. I >suppose this is OK for some, but is it real? Buddhism is all about >doing things the "right" way, as the fourth noble truth >teaches. Many that I know are truly happy with this kind of >discipline, and often say they are enlightened, which I am sure they >are. But we are all enlightened. Our spiritual awakening came when >we entered this world. > >I am not quite sure what Quality has to do with Buddhism, at least >as I understand it. For me it is more like Taoism. > >I love Cervantes. I live in a polytheistic world, serpents and saints. > >Cheers, >Willblake2 > > >On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:04:35 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >Greetings Willblake2, > >What do we know and how do we know it? > >You are correct, scientist, philosopher and theologian want to answer >these questions. The only concept I haven't been able to debunk is >the Buddhist's Emptiness, and the MOQ reigns supreme because it >includes emptiness as DQ. But I, like Don Quixote, find all these >other concepts both noble and fearsome, heathens and wizards and >serpents of sin! > >I am I, Don Quixote, >The Lord of La Mancha, >My destiny calls and I go, >And the wild winds of fortune >Will carry me onward, >Oh whithersoever they blow. >Whithersoever they blow, >Onward to glory I go! > >It is all interesting, and I too love thinking it through as best I >can. For the moment I live on the Isle of the Blessed. But as I >have been listening to all these lectures on the history of >scientific theory (science wars) I am wondering how things would look >in the modern times if Quality and the MOQ had their day in the >sun. It is time... > >Daffodils to you, Will. > > >Marsha > > > > >At 09:59 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: > >Hi Marsha, > > > >Actually it is my own closed minded opinion. Stewart is just a > >mathematician. I don't see any difference between science, > >philosophy, and religion. They all try to construe reality > >through labels. We try to believe that those labels are real, > >and somehow more than just nerve connections firing in patterns. > >My mind is closed to thinking that perhaps all these labels > >are very different from each other, and represent > >alternatives. My opinion is that they are all the same. I don't > >think I can label one as good and the other as bad. I label them > >as useful and enjoyable to me, or not. > > > >It is fun, however, to create sides and argue the merits of one > >over the other. That is all that I am doing here. > > > >Your posts are a joy in my day! > > > >Willblake2 > > > > > >On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:27:14 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >Greetings Will, > > > >Oh right, that would be Ian Stewart's opinion. There are lots of > >opinion. This is how the conflict is labeled, but my mind is open. Is yours? > > > > > >Marsha > > > > > > > >At 02:12 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >Science Wars? Science, philosophy, religion, they are all on the > same side. > > >It is all part of mass hysteria. Science and philosophy and religion > > >are all in it together. They walk hand in hand encouraging their > prisoners. > > >They love for it to be considered a war, because one of them has to win > > >and they don't care which one; they are all the same. Everybody > is infected > > >with some kind of thought virus of one kind or another, they are > > >passing it along > > >helplessly to the glee of the infector. > > > > > >You need a vaccination. Stop pretending its a battle. You know better.. > > > > > >Willblake2 > > > > > > > > >On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:51:04 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >Greetings, > > > > > >Interesting that the Science Wars didn't take place until the 1990s, > > >and LILA was written prior to 1991. It seems probably that RMP lead > > >the way in the attack against Science. Now this is going to be > > >interesting an interesting area to study. > > > > > > > > >Marsha, > > >the sophist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >.. > > >_____________ > > > > > >Shoot for the moon. 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