Hello everyone ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:16:29 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Science Wars > > > Hi Marsha, > > Emptiness is fine with me, if I understand what you mean. The inside of a > bowl is empty > as the Tao would say.
Dan: Not if it is full of rice. The bowl is a tool who's use comes from emptiness. Once full, is the bowl still a tool? > > Willblake2 > > On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:24:48 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > Will, > > I didn't know anything of Buddhism until I read Nagarjuna's > MKK. Emptiness seems intuitively right to me. Since then I've read > plenty more and my intuitive attraction just gets stronger. The > Buddhist traditions, the Four Noble Truths, the Eightfold Path, are > beautiful and I try to follow as best I can, but it is the logic that > has bitten me. I see Quality synonymous with Emptiness, and > experience as primary. > > > Marsha > > > > At 01:43 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote: >>HI Marsha, >> >>My understanding and experience of Buddhism, is the release from >>clinging. When the wind blows, I feel cold. To a Buddhist, the >>wind blows right through him. The most recent Buddha was obsessed >>with suffering and wanted to be released from it. Some of my most >>meaningful learning and experiences have come through suffering; I >>welcome it, knowing it is temporary . >> >>Buddhist live on a flat line, I live on a wave, up and down, yin and >>yang. I often feel that Buddhist are the ultimate escapists, like >>heroin addicts, who only want to experience peace and joy. I >>suppose this is OK for some, but is it real? Buddhism is all about >>doing things the "right" way, as the fourth noble truth >>teaches. Many that I know are truly happy with this kind of >>discipline, and often say they are enlightened, which I am sure they >>are. But we are all enlightened. Our spiritual awakening came when >>we entered this world. >> >>I am not quite sure what Quality has to do with Buddhism, at least >>as I understand it. For me it is more like Taoism. >> >>I love Cervantes. I live in a polytheistic world, serpents and saints. >> >>Cheers, >>Willblake2 >> >> >>On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:04:35 PM, MarshaV wrote: >> >>Greetings Willblake2, >> >>What do we know and how do we know it? >> >>You are correct, scientist, philosopher and theologian want to answer >>these questions. The only concept I haven't been able to debunk is >>the Buddhist's Emptiness, and the MOQ reigns supreme because it >>includes emptiness as DQ. But I, like Don Quixote, find all these >>other concepts both noble and fearsome, heathens and wizards and >>serpents of sin! >> >>I am I, Don Quixote, >>The Lord of La Mancha, >>My destiny calls and I go, >>And the wild winds of fortune >>Will carry me onward, >>Oh whithersoever they blow. >>Whithersoever they blow, >>Onward to glory I go! >> >>It is all interesting, and I too love thinking it through as best I >>can. For the moment I live on the Isle of the Blessed. But as I >>have been listening to all these lectures on the history of >>scientific theory (science wars) I am wondering how things would look >>in the modern times if Quality and the MOQ had their day in the >>sun. It is time... >> >>Daffodils to you, Will. >> >> >>Marsha >> >> >> >> >>At 09:59 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >>>Hi Marsha, >>> >>>Actually it is my own closed minded opinion. Stewart is just a >>>mathematician. I don't see any difference between science, >>>philosophy, and religion. They all try to construe reality >>>through labels. We try to believe that those labels are real, >>>and somehow more than just nerve connections firing in patterns. >>>My mind is closed to thinking that perhaps all these labels >>>are very different from each other, and represent >>>alternatives. My opinion is that they are all the same. I don't >>>think I can label one as good and the other as bad. I label them >>>as useful and enjoyable to me, or not. >>> >>>It is fun, however, to create sides and argue the merits of one >>>over the other. That is all that I am doing here. >>> >>>Your posts are a joy in my day! >>> >>>Willblake2 >>> >>> >>>On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:27:14 PM, MarshaV wrote: >>> >>>Greetings Will, >>> >>>Oh right, that would be Ian Stewart's opinion. There are lots of >>>opinion. This is how the conflict is labeled, but my mind is open. Is yours? >>> >>> >>>Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>>At 02:12 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>Science Wars? Science, philosophy, religion, they are all on the >> same side. >>>>It is all part of mass hysteria. Science and philosophy and religion >>>>are all in it together. They walk hand in hand encouraging their >> prisoners. >>>>They love for it to be considered a war, because one of them has to win >>>>and they don't care which one; they are all the same. Everybody >> is infected >>>>with some kind of thought virus of one kind or another, they are >>>>passing it along >>>>helplessly to the glee of the infector. >>>> >>>>You need a vaccination. Stop pretending its a battle. You know better.. >>>> >>>>Willblake2 >>>> >>>> >>>>On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:51:04 PM, MarshaV wrote: >>>> >>>>Greetings, >>>> >>>>Interesting that the Science Wars didn't take place until the 1990s, >>>>and LILA was written prior to 1991. It seems probably that RMP lead >>>>the way in the attack against Science. Now this is going to be >>>>interesting an interesting area to study. >>>> >>>> >>>>Marsha, >>>>the sophist. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>.. >>>>_____________ >>>> >>>>Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the >> stars............ >>>>.. >>>>.. >>>> >>>>Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>Archives: >>>>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >>>> >>>> >>>>Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>Archives: >>>>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >>> >>>.. >>>_____________ >>> >>>Shoot for the moon. 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