> [Krimel] > But not one single individual's contribution has ever amounted to diddly > squat unless others in the community thought it worthwhile.
What utter and complete nonsense. Nobody but Frank Llogd Wright and his client thought his plans for Falling Water was worth diddly squat. Fortunately, it was built it anyway. More often than not, the "community" consists of a bunch of naysayers who are against any new idea "emerging" (Krimel's all purpose word) from a single mind > Societies > are > not either individualistic or collective They are both. No. A society is a collection, a group, a herd, a gaggle, a band, a bunch, a crew, etc Pirsig calls it the Giant that "devours (individual) lives for its own purposes just as surely as farmers devour the flesh of farm animals." (Lila, 17). Hardly conducive to individual lives. > They are by > their > very nature a negotiation of individual and collective rights. Collective rights? Like what? To imprison or execute opponents of the state? > I > realized > that Rand has been the pivot point in countless Young Republican circle > jerks but I find her hopelessly simplistic and naïve. I find your scientism hopeless simplistic and naive. So? > In the "classic" > quote > you provide she may as well be saying "no man can shit from another > man's > asshole." But that has always been the level of discourse from the "new > intellectuals" she seduced and corrupted both literally and figuratively. A vacuous assertion if there ever was one. > [Ham] > As for "seeing with your ears" or "enjoying poisons", I'm surprised that > you > > would resort to such churlishness after characterizing my choicemaker > concept as "grandiose and untenable". > > [Krimel] > I said that your ideas of free will are deluded. The range of choices we > have is limited in so many ways that free will disappear on reflection. In denying free will Krimel's exhibits free will.. His statement is self- refuting. But from him we've come to expect devotion to "feedback systems." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
