look i think we all know by now that some are on this list to share and learn, 
and some are here to argue; this list is, for them, the chance to argue with 
pirsig.

but this list is not about arguing with pirsig; it is not about arguing with 
anyone.

this list is for those who get pirsig; a number that i am gladdened to see is 
rising - though we still desperately need more female voices.

i am suggesting that we cease to interact when we know the response 
beforehand...when we know what reply we will get, when we know exactly where 
the discussion will go because we have been there so often before. very static.

this is in the interest of all; the try and try again method is obviously not 
working and is enervating....it saps the energies that should be used now to 
open new ground, not endlessly rehash.

i do think this whole process has been valuable though - the endless reruns 
have lead to a crystallization and encapsulation of subtle and complex ideas. 
this is of benefit to all who are open.

but we can leave that now - i think so anyway.

i would like to move into new territory. i don't think we can make our 
descriptions and explanations any more precise or concise....but we can 
analogise endlessly, creatively.....

if we are true to life.

if we retain the priority of immediate experience over the abstract. (the 
abstract here serves to embellish, to connect - it is the editor, not the 
author. here we are in the realm of poetry, of mythopoetics) 

mythopoetry - the rosetta stone without which the hieroglyphs of life remain 
indecipherable

this is where truth is....

this is why i harp on about miller, nin: the truth of pirsig's philosophy is 
shown here. here we see the relegation of the abstract; the preeminence of the 
immediate...the poetry of its disclosure; the agility and precision with which 
the abstract interweaves, enhancing, clarifying, connecting, juxtaposing.

we see it in bob too, but here the abstract is louder than in henry - bob is 
doing philosophy (esp in lila) - he is using life to enrich and deepen 
philosophy.

in miller philosophy is interspersed and veiled - the philosophy is less 
explicit, absolute; it is more implied, inferred...so that the meaning, the 
truth is felt in the whole. yes the whole picture is what does it - you get the 
whole....truth

 maybe that is what i am saying? a move towards the whole...the whole self?

hope this sketch was not too sketchy 

gav

 



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