John,
At the risk of extending the tool metaphor ...

Persuading people you have the biggest one is one thing,
Getting them to take it on board is another.

Ian
PS, no p's required ;-)

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote:
>  Ian, Gav,
>
>> >  What is Philosophy without argument?
>>
>> gav said:
>> > i disagree.
>>
>> I agree with Gav.
>> Two things wrong with what you say John.
>>
>> (1) Thinking of anything as a question of one group "stopping" another
>> doing something is a scary concept to start with.
>>
>> (2) Pirsgian philosophy is a philosophy of living. Individuals doing
>> valuable things. Argument is only ever a part of it, never the point
>> of it. One tool in the intellectual toolkit as gavin says.
>>
>
> The group/individual dynamic tension is something I wanna explore sometime.
>  But I agree completely that argument is not the point of philosophy.
>
> The point is persuading everyone that I got the biggest tool.
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