Hi Marsha,
I'm not sure if I understood your post, I am a little slow at times.
Water is one of my favorite analogies for what we perceive as a
world of many things.
If Einstein is correct, then everything is energy. Everything is
transforming into something else continuously. That is
change. But does anything really change? Physics states
that no energy is ever lost or created; there is conservation. So at
some level nothing changes, always the same energy. At our level,
Things to seem to change. An illusion? I suppose, as much as
everything else is. The word is confusing. If everything is an
illusion then so is that statement. Don't believe anything I write
(not even my telling you not to believe anything I write).
So the water analogy. Everything in this world are like waves on
an ocean. They appear from nowhere on the surface, and disappear.
A constant flux of waves, just like matter, always changing shapes.
Big, small.
I'll bet you have some of the electrons I had a while ago. They are yours
now, keep them for a while. The waves are created from the great ocean,
arising from it returning to it, but the water is always there to create new
ones. Does the wave try to survive as long as it can? I don't think so,
it just is.
The speed of light is constant, because time disappears at that speed.
Time gets slower and slower the faster you go, until poof! we are at the
speed of light.
Hard to change things with no time.
Oh, time to go!
Willblake2
On May 26, 2009, at 12:02:41 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
Greetings Will,
Time and change have a relationship, yes? What does it actually mean
to state that everything is always in a state of
change? Everything! I'm thinking of the water analogy: If
everything is water, and there is nothing that is not water, then
there is no meaning to water, for there is no way of distinguishing a
difference between water and nonwater. Seems if you translate that
into change, then what humans have actually defined as change is
illusion. And if our definition of change is an illusion, how can
anything be conceived of as constant, as in Einstein's 'C', when
everything is changing? Against what is it measured?
Can you untangle this mess between water, change and time?
Marsha
At 11:24 PM 5/25/2009, you wrote:
>On May 25, 2009, at 11:09:02 AM, "Dan Glover"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Hello everyone
>
>----------------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:47:17 -0700
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [MD] LC: Expanded Annotation 57
> >
> > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, MarshaV wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> 57. In the MOQ time is dependent on experience
> >> independently of matter. Matter is a deduction from
> >> experience.
> >>
> >
> > So we just toss E=mc2 out the window?
> >
> > I think (unless it can be explained better to me) that the realization of
> > object precedes or arises with the realization of time. Time = change and
> > you can't have "change" without some"thing" changing.
>
>Hi John
>
>In the MOQ, matter arises from experience, not the other way around.
>Time arises from experience as well, so it arises independently of matter.
>
>I am unsure what you mean when you say: So we just toss E=mc2 out
>the window? Equations do not arise from matter. They are ideas. They
>arise from experience independently of matter.
>
>Does this help to better answer your question?
>
>Dan
>
>
>Hi all, Willblake2 here,
>
>I saw E=mc2, thought I'd jump in to see if physics has any bearing on MoQ.
>
>What this equation symbolizes is that energy and matter are
>identical. We can
>convert one to the other simply using a constant number, that is
the speed of
>light times itself. A very large number compared to numbers we are
>used to dealing
>with, but just a number like "2". To simplify, we could say that
>one mass is two energies.
>
>In the equation is the speed of light, which is distance traveled
>over time. This is
>where time comes into the picture. That is time separates
>distances. Einstein loved
>this kind of metaphysical stuff. Was a mystic in his own way, non
>of this spiritual
>unity stuff, but in trying to sort out the underlying fabric of reality.
>
>So what is so special about the speed of light? Well for one a
>photon (pure energy)
>zips around at that speed. More importantly, it is thought that the speed is
>constant. That is if you are traveling at half the speed of light,
>and shine a flashlight
>it will appear to leave you at the speed of light, to someone
>standing by the road,
>the light from the flashlight will also leave at the speed of light
>(not 1 + a half speed).
>
>Einstein got to thinking about this and said that what is happening is that
>time is slowing down the faster you go. Therefore since the speed
>of light should
>be going at one and a half times, time goes slower to make up for this.
>That time slows down with speed has been shown in the lab, and in
>fact satellites
>and GPS systems take this slowing down into account for accuracy.
>
>OK, nothing new there. Now the limits of speed are 0 (zero) and
>the speed of
>light (SOL). Nothing goes slower than zero, nothing goes faster than SOL.
>Now, at the SOL, time does not move, it stays at 0. At our speed time
>moves along. Lets say, for metaphysical purposes that we switch the limits,
>and say that the speed of light is zero, and we are moving at close to the
>speed of light. This is just using a different reference. It
>makes sense to use
>the speed of light as zero, since time is stopped at that
>point. Therefore, light is
>dead still, and we are rushing through it. Imagine the wind of time blowing
>through your hair, you can feel it. When you are stopped along with light
>there is not wind, no time passing by. I would reference this
>thought experiment
>but I have not found it on the internet yet.
>
>OK, so we are moving very fast and we experience time. However at every
>instant time does not move. At every instant we are dead still, because
>an instant is so small that no time has passed. This is the Now. If the
>perception of Quality into our consciousness happens during this instant
>we could feel it. We would be going through infinitely short starts
>and stops.
>This would be a physics analogy of how Quality comes before time, in fact
> it is the background upon which time happens.
>
>An analogy of all this would be that Quality is the white background
>on a page
>in a book, and time is the written words. Although we are jumping
>through time,
>Quality is always there in the background. Time is caused by speed which is
>distance per time. This would mean that for time to appear by
>itself, distance
>would have to dissapear. There is no distance between us and Quality.
>You take out time by stopping and you have just Quality left.
>We could say that light is pure Quality (no time). And once
>again we can worship the Sun.
>
>Hope this made some sense, thanks for your time.
>
>Willblake2
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