On May 28, 2009, at 11:16:41 PM, [email protected] wrote: Hi Mark On 27 May you wrote:
> The "I" has no name, because it does not exist. You can call me Mark. > All the same to me. But most of us are encumbered with names and other paraphernalia ;-). > Matter and energy are identical in the same way that water, ice, and > steam are identical, just different forms of the same thing. I don't > understand why this is a schism since it is thought to be internally > consistent. Matter is compressed energy living in time, light is > timeless. What we feel with the nuclear bomb, or the sun, is that > conversion. Part of the equation for time dilation becomes zero very > quickly. Particle decay is a slower process of the same thing. Please > explain your understanding of the schism, does it relate to Quality? I found your energy example a good analogy of a MOQ "bone". In physics there is the split between "free" and "compressed" energy, there is no ENERGY as such except these two states. But so many sees Quality as different from MOQ's Dynamic Quality. Pirsig himself is just vague enough to keep it suspended, in one instance he has said that Quality is the DQ - which is correct, but then in his Summary he says that Quality is "dynamic" while MOQ is "static", a Quality/MOQ "metaphysics" in other words. Bo before: > > If two beams of light meet, then the relative speed between the two > > must be twice that of light .... or?. I'm a bit rusty on Relativity and > > don't remember, no trap. Mark: > Time is zero for a photon, so relative to one photon, the other one is > moving at the speed of light, and visa versa. From our viewpoint, > the diminishing distance between two photons would occur at twice the > speed of light. This is not part of relativity, because that > diminishing distance is not moving. However, this concept does have > some potential for metaphysical thought, thanks for that. Back in the sixties I knew (read at least) all about relativity and I remember what a kick this about time being "elastic" gave me. Then came the seventies when Quantum Physics became the fad and gave no lesser kicks. Not to speak about the eighties when experiments confirmed the various weird consequences. For example the "Aspect" one about two particles "communicating" instantly across the universe if necessary. Here the speed of light is no limit. Do you know anything about these issues? Bo Hi Bo, I learned about these things in school. Now I like to read about them because they send me off on a metaphysical journey of the mind. Entangled particles are really interesting because it almost means they are the same particle in two different places. Whatever happens to one particle, happens to the other far away in an identical manner. The notion of Quality was of interest because it seemed to imply, to me, an entanglement of sorts. Kind of this spooky connectivity. This probably doesn't make much sense, but I originally approached it from physics. Kind of like The Tao of Physics, or the Dancing Wu Li Masters, which I read all at about the same time in '74 or '75. Physics is getting pretty bizarre, at least the implications. I recently read a book about the Physics of Consciousness, whereby consciousness enters our mind right at the synapse in the brain, through quantum tunneling. It was full of measurements and predictions, and possibilities for better understanding. It was understood that consciousness was outside the realm of science because it could not be measured or detected. The book was written by a physicist who has a following among physicists. This kind of struck me as a possibility for Quality. I know that Quality is outside all that, but sometimes it is interesting to consider that pre-conscious connection as something that could be actually used by our next evolution. Cheers, Mark Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
