On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Ian Glendinning <[email protected]>wrote:
. All the various "dot.commies" rhetoric misses the > > fact that this is really bottom-up global-collectivisation rather than > "socialism" as it became known - What intrigues me about the bottom-up aspect, Ian, is the opportunity for "the bottom". I was born in a really top-down age with the masses absorbing centralized programming and little to no opportunity to express whatever DQ the individual possessed. Now that has changed and is changing more all the time. Firstly however the point about openness - yes, openness with trust > and accountability, but there is a problem if people see openness as > total transparency without any kind of confidences and privacies in > management and governance processes. I've heard this before Ian. Boy have I heard it. I don't agree at all. If you could give me a concrete example of when secrecy serves the governed better than openness (discounting national security issues - I'm talking localized governance mainly) then I could consider your argument. As it stands now, I just can't imagine ignorance being any sort of bliss. > I know from direct experience of the open-source movement in my day > job - that there are real-time / total-openness expectations - and in > reality this can provide very rapid and efficent creativity - dynamic > quality - but the buck has to stop somewhere - there has to be some > "governance". I agree governance is needed for buck-stopping and implementation; especially during the transition. I just want this governance to be fully reasoned and disclosed. I often find mysef pointing out that the world-wide-web > consortium founding fathers original "model" of information being > shared this way starts with a layer called "trust". Total anarchic > openeness is no substitute for trust. > > Ah but here is the important part Ian, total openness LEADS to trust. Inevitably. John -- ------------ The self is a point along a dynamic continuum, evolving toward Quality by Choice. ------------ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
