> [Nick]
> Nope.  I buy necessary goods that are taxed.  The government taxes 
> what I need.  Property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, wage tax, 
> etc...  I can't get around it Arlo or they will initiate physical 
> coercion.  Even if I like paying them or not, I have to or will be 
> forced into an abhorrent situation.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Nope. There are many people who live off the grid.

Nick:
"Many" like who?  Do you now somebody?  And if the government knew I 
wasn't paying property taxes what would they do?  I'm not being physically 
coerced off my property to live by your murderous ways.  So you want to steal 
my property too?  Is that it?

Arlo:
> No one forces you to buy "taxed goods". You could grow what you eat, tailor 
> what 
> you wear, barter all you want for stuff you can't make yourself. 
> Simply get a job that pays $3k a year, you won't have to pay any 
> taxes at all. Hell, don't work at all! You choose to partake of the 
> infrastructure, and so you have to pay taxes. It's that simple.

Nick:
Nope.  I live here and trade with other people and the government steps in 
on what is a voluntary free market between reason people.  If we don't give up 
the loot, then the government bandits steal it.  I worked hard for this and the 
government initiates physical coercion to remove me from my land like another 
"Trail of Tears".  Yeah, the government never gets tired of the same old 
murderous 
tricks.  I choose to live life in a civil society freely interacting with 
others.  The government 
steps in and steals.  I didn't choose for the government to steal what is mine. 
 I would 
voluntarily pay for what I want, but the government steals it and makes all 
kinds of arbitrary 
decisions, most that I don't like.  I don't give up my morality for a believe 
in what is good.  
I bluntly talk about what IS good.

Nick



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