> [Nick] > It's my land Arlo. > > [Arlo] > And how many Indians died so that some white man could sell it to > you?
Nick: Exactly. Now you getting the picture Arlo. I'm being serious. Arlo: > How many "thieves and murderers" stole that land, kicked off the people > living there, > and now you call it "yours". You are a thief and a murderer, Nick. You've > bought stolen goods. You bought goods that were stolen with blood and death. > You justify it by saying "hey, wasn't me who did the killin', I just bought it > off the murderer." Nick: I never justified it Arlo. You lie. If I could figure out who's land this was, the name of the person, and if all could do it and know exactly what land was there's I would be all for it. > [Nick previously] > You are saying my only option is pay or be physically removed. > [Arlo] > "Private property" is enforced by the state. You want to be part of that, you > have to pay. I'm sorry, who did you say is forcing you to own land? Nick: Ah, no Arlo. It's my natural right to have property. It's a basic need acquired by the best way possible without conflict when I bought it without conflict I used civil means called money and negotiable exchange. Now if I knew who's property this was before it was stolen and we all got together and did this. I would be all for it. Property is an extension of our very life being the naked humans we are in need of shelter and possibly space if you buy it. Nobody forces me to own the land. As humans we live on a planet called earth it's also called land. We perform various activities on this land. I sleep in this house and cook. It's natural. > [Nick previously] > I can choose to sell my land, but to avoid a coercive government you are > admitting I have to run and hide. > > [Arlo] > Ah, you want the benefits without the responsibility. I get it. But yes, you > don't want to pay taxes, Nick: I don't want to be forced to do what I am willing to do voluntarily. Don't forget that Arlo. I've said that repeatedly. Arlo: you could live your life in such a way as to not have > to. Plain and simple. Run and hide? Take your family with you! Convince your > friends to go and live in your commune. Many people do, Nick. > There is a nice list on this page of places you could go. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commune_(intentional_community) Nick: I live here Arlo. Why are you suggesting I run and hide from what I've established here? Or is it because you know if I try to not be coerced here the government WILL initiate physical coercion. You know it Arlo, you know it. > [Nick previously] > That's the choice you are stating. > > [Arlo] > What? Play by the rules or you don't have to play? Sure. Hardly unfair. You > have plenty of options. But getting all the benefits without having to play by > the rules is not one. Sorry. Nick: I will gladly volunteer to acquire any benefits voluntarily. But to coerce me and my liberty to do so voluntarily is called anti-liberty or initiating physical coercion (IPC for short). > [Arlo previously] > Now if you use currency, well, that's another part of the wonderful > infrastructure civil governance supports > > [Nick previously] > Nope. > > [Arlo] > Yep. Nick: No it's not Arlo. It's legal tender physically coerced upon people. The world is full of currency that doesn't need to be forced on people cause people naturally trade and exchange in what is called the free market, but when the government intervenes it uses socialist policies to coerce people into what they can and can't use as currency. The government is very violent Arlo. > [Nick previously] > Yeah, join the black market and hide from the government. > > [Arlo] > Not at all. Don't use the infrastructure, don't pay. Simple as that. Nick: Exactly Arlo! My point exactly. I don't have a choice where my money goes. It is physically coerced from me and applied to arbitrary projects. It is not rational to gamble with morality as Thoreau so wisely wrote. It is not rational to do what you BELIEVE is right. I'd rather DO what is right. You give away your responsibilities and HOPE the government does what you BELIEVE is morally right. I am about direct action and I want to do what I know is right and choice where my money goes and help who I know needs help. I am wise and not trying to be irresponsible and gamble morality to chance. In direct action the probabilities shrink cause I know more exactly what is being done with my money and efforts. > [Nick previously] > Well you want to force me off my land or else I have to pay taxes. > > [Arlo] > Your land according to WHO? Nick: Me. It's my land you idiot. > [Nick previously] > "Trail of Tears" all over again. "Shove off Nick to the reservations," Arlo > says. Arlo you're heartless. > > [Arlo] > Then pay your fair taxes and stay. Nick: Or else Arlo will shoot you with a gun. Arlo: That's an option the Indians did not have. > You do. You have a choice. And if you choose to opt out of property tax, I am > sure your travels to the reservation would go much smoother. And once you got > there, you'd never have to pay taxes again. No one would come after you with a > gun. You could do whatever you wanted. Oh, well, there is a tribal authority > there, but I'm sure that you could manage. Nick: Again you prove how heartless you are. I will voluntarily pay for services but you continue to want to steal and quite possible advocate murder me. It is my land Arlo. It is what I have labored for, my wife and I. And you will IPC if I don't follow your King of the Hill might makes right policies. I see your insidious plan you pervert. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! 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