> > > Nick previously:
> > > > Fine. Get stabbed to death. "Indulge" as you say.
> >
> > John:
> > > Well Nick, if somebody comes at me with a knife, I have the freedom to
> > > defend myself. I also have choices about the kind of places I visit and
> > to
> > > tell you the truth, I usually choose places where people don't attack me.
> >
> > Nick:
> > Good. Then why the whole choice of being coerced or not as you put to
> > "indulge" with.
John:
> I don't see what you're getting at here. My point was that even if people
> try to coerce me, they will not succeed if I make the right choices in the
> moment. If one of my choices in the moment a guy comes at me with a knife
> includes a 12 gauge at my side, then I ain't gettin' coerced anywhere bucko.
Nick:
Good. I'm glad you value life. :-) Ok. I didn't know what you meant, I
admit.
> John:
> > > I know you can come up with all kinds of hypothetical situations - but
> > none of them apply to me so why should I be interested?
> >
> > Nick previously:
> > Ok. This was vague.
> Ok, an example of a hypothetical situation. You say to me, Suppose my
> neighbor has an atom bomb.... and he says to me, "If you don't get your dog
> off my lawn, I'm gonna drop an atom bomb on your house." That's just one
> of many hypothetical situations you could try and use to get me to see that
> I'm subject to coercion. The problem is, I get along fine with my neighbor
> and he doesn't have an atom bomb and even if my neighbor DID have an atom
> bomb, he would be afraid to detonate it right next door... so you could come
> up with a bunch of different hypothetical situations that would coerce me,
> but none of them would fit either and after a while we'd realize that you
> are just playing games with your own fantasyland terrors that have nothing
> to do with me so WHY SHOULD I BE INTERESTED???
> More clear I hope?
Nick:
I call that excellent. I think you, John, are somebody that knows what liberty
is and
you value life tremendously!!!
Might I ask, are you about peace, meaning, as long as nobody 'tries' to
initiate physical coercion
against you are you for the finer things in life that are good?
> > Nick previously:
> > You can choose all you want. You can love to pay taxes. But you still
> > HAVE to cause if you don't violation of liberty happens.
John:
> No that is simply not true at all. I don't have to pay taxes. I can grow
> my own flour and I can make my own shelter and I can stay away from society
> and never interact at all. "I can choose all I want" means I am not
> subject to coercion. duh.
Nick:
Nope cause the government forced you in seculsion. You either pay up or the
government
forces you to go into hiding. That's not free-will. That's called being
physically coerced
away from civil society. duh. lol You're funny.
> > John:
> > > I've gone years and years without paying either property or income taxes.
> > > So far, no police.
>
> > Nick:
> > Well if you HAVE to pay them, if you actually own property and have a job,
> > then
> > you haven't gotten caught yet.
> >
John:
> If I have to pay them? I thought you said I did. I do own property and as
> a self-employed individual with more than a few kids, the govt ends up
> paying me more than I pay them.
Nick:
Oh, so you steal from other people to live your life. That's why you don't pay
property
or income tax. You steal it from other people. So you are a coercer in this
scheme. You
don't have to pay cause you force other people to pay you - thief.
John:
Property taxes are an on and off thing.
> You can put them off for years and years and rarely does the county get
> around to doing much about it.
Nick:
Oh, so now you say you do pay property taxes that "on" thingy you said. So you
do
have to pay them, unless you force others and steal it from them. Thief. And
yet you have
a computer with internet. Life is rough...lol I mean it's tough to not have
to pay taxes
when everybody else is forced to give them to you. parasite. Unless you
actually
have a plan to do something about it? If you are having physical problems
there are
lots of people that can help. But you are part of the system and so are
trapped. I don't blame you.
Take the money from the government. I mean you don't really have a choice do
you?
> > Nick previously:
> > Yeah and? What's your point? So people can use baseball bats to kill
> > other people and that's called murder if initiated.
John:
> My point was that you have an aggressive attitude. Baseball bats got nothing
> to do with it.
Nick:
And? So? A baseball bat is a piece of wood. I mean it's not difficult to
realize that.
> > John:
> > > Nick, if I spend every waking moment contemplating hypothetical
> > murders...
> > > then I'd say that would be a bit fanatical. Wouldn't you?
> >
> > Nick:
> > Strawman. Going off topic. Your whole "fanatical" bit was emotive to
> > begin with
> > having no rational basis.
John:
> Really? I didn't realize that. Thanks for pointing it out. Although it
> leads to another thought - do you think emotions have "no rational basis"?
> And if so, are you married? And if so, have you ever pointed this out to
> your wife? And if so, has she aggressively coerced you into unconsciousness
> with a frying pan lately?
Nick:
Initiating physical coercion is against ones liberty and so I love voluntaryily
and thus
I have liberty in this situation.
> > Nick previously:
> > John, murder happens. People get killed. Your a sadistic vile person
> > thinking that's not
> > real. You've been watching too much TV. Do like to watch the blood drip?
> > lol sick
John:
> Well it'd be pretty difficult for me to watch too much tv, since I haven't
> had one since 1983, and I don't see how refusing to dwell upon violence that
> others choose to dwell upon makes *me* vile and sadistic. But with your
> careful choice of words there, I am a bit worried about you.
Nick:
So? you don't have a TV. big deal. Cause you are a thief. Pinned ya. I'm
for peace
you reject the NAP and you reject peace. You are therefore a murdering thief.
Nick
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