Nuff said - chat anytime Nick. Being misunderstood (even unintelligible) is the story of my life ;-)
I don't go out of my way "to be unintelligible" - but I do deliberately avoid falling into all the usual expected patterns if argumentation - a difficulty I create, I really do appreciate. (The criticisms I react to are the ad hominem suggestions that I am wilfully unitelligible, inconsistent or lacking integrity in my words an actions ... I am happy to be disagreed with anytime.) I happen to think our real mission is to evolve a better language for "MoQ living" rather than a language for winning philosophical arguments or satisfying examiners and peer reviewers in existing academic institutions - though obviously I can see the pragnmatic value in these latter games. Cynics (in the Diogenes / Kynic sense) I have no problem with. The problem is - by defintion - these have to be exceptions to the received norms - we can't all be individuals in this sense - I feel a "Life of Brian" quote coming on..... Last blogged about Kynics here. http://www.psybertron.org/?p=2165 Regards Ian On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:31 PM, blue-jay maple<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Nick: >> > Ian, are you saying here you prefer me to be Ad Hominem? Ok, so my sincere >> > personal opinion is a "no win game". Ian, you're one opposite person. > > Ian: >> No I am saying exactly the opposite. It is the only rule worth >> "enforcing" - even by self discipline - in my opinion (and >> incidentally its the ony rule ever enforced by Horse). > > Nick: > Oh, on the internet the only rule "worth enforcing". Ian I would like to chat > with you before we get into anything too much. :-) I have a difficult time > understanding you sometimes. I'm sorry it's my fault. > > Ian: >> The aggression you expressed to me presonally (and subsequent olive >> branch) is water of a duck's back ... I can move on. I was pointing >> out it was a no-win game (for you) in the sense that even when you do >> apparently sincerely express inter-personal views (even positive >> ones), others (gav, MK so far) object. > > Nick: > gav didn't object, he misunderstood. M K, needs love and feels left out. I > can't help that. I never said anything bad to M K anyways. He had to have > been joking. > What about my feelings Ian? I've had to buck it up to > people not even trying for the most part. People not understanding the > way I do an intellectual exercise, and people not trying for the most part > to understand how I'm approaching this. Ron did an excellent job in going > through the intellectual exercise with me, but Ron has always had a big > heart when it comes to dealing with other people. I'm not trying to downplay > the approach of others (except I noted in this olive branch post), but I come > into this forum and right away for my position I get attacked without a soft, > sincere effort to understand what I'm saying. I called people criminals and > murderers, but that was boundary setting of the intellectual discourse. It > is pointing out where the lines are in our actions. As I've said we need not > get > into that anymore. I came into this forum with a clear perspective of law, > and > I got responses that were very dangerous in my perspective. But who cares > what I experienced... I'll move on. > > Ian: >> My objection to the ad hominem - to anyone - is the distracting >> irrelevant unproductive "noise" it generates. As I must have said a >> hundred times - life's too short. > > Nick: > I can respect that. I really can't argue against that. We can turn this > into a philosophical discussion: > Did you ever hear of the Zen monks hitting their students with a stick while > they zazen? Have you ever heard of the cynics from ancient greece? > > Nick > > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
