sorry nick, my mistake. thankyou for your sentiments --- On Tue, 9/6/09, blue-jay maple <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: blue-jay maple <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] my olive branch effort > To: [email protected] > Received: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 1:04 PM > > gav: > > i didn't say what you quoted me as saying. > > for the record. > > Nick: > Oh Lord. I didn't quote anybody in this post. > What are you > talking about? > > Nick > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/6/09, blue-jay maple <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > From: blue-jay maple <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [MD] my olive branch effort > > > To: [email protected] > > > Received: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 11:40 AM > > > Everybody, > > > > > > I would like to say that I am feeling more safe > with some > > > of you. Ron, you helped me feel safe with > your very civil discourse and > > > understanding. > > > We, meaning anybody, can differ on > approaches. We can > > > disagreed on government. So be it, but I > think it is best to be > > > honest on how events are. Sure some people > may tolerate the > > > government and may find > > > safety in how it works. At least I feel a > sense of honor with > > > that person who can come out and admit their > adherence, but don't > > > try to defend > > > injustice. I know that is difficult and it > may seem more my personal opinion > > > for those that tolerate the government. But > I have taken liberty to > > > the radical extreme in deduction. At least > you know that I am for peace and > > > I would never IPC (initiate physical coercion), > so, at least people can > > > surmise that from what I've discussed. I > know I believe in > > > liberty very strongly > > > and have reasoned it through to a considered > radicalness to some > > > (though I am no more > > > radical than all those now and before that took > liberty to such extremes). I > > > can't say I am any better or worse for what I > pursue, but I think > > > you can at least perceive > > > that my effort is born of peace (NAP) and that is > my effort in life. I don't > > > think that is bad, I think that is a good event > to strive for - > > > to minimize conflict. So I > > > offer the olive branch and I know I have shaken > the foundation of > > > what some people > > > believe. I am trying and my effort is born > of care and fear. > > > Yes fear because of > > > what I perceive and what that means in > conclusion, and I have > > > feared what some people have said > > > in this forum. It has frightened me > tremendously. I am fragile. I > > > just want peace. I am glad I found some > people who have tried to > > > reach out and understand my > > > peaceful intentions instead of some others who I > see as very > > > dangerous in their irrational > > > dismissal (Krimel and dmb). Arlo: I > highly respect your pursuance. I love > > > how you really feel strongly about something you > believe in. You > > > are a very principled person and > > > I can see you don't compromise in what you > believe in. I greatly > > > admire that. And > > > I thank you. > > > > > > M K: I am happy you stepped forward to > greet me. > > > > > > Platt: I know in your heart you truly want > freedom > > > and you fear in great length because you care > greatly. Your > > > heart is full of love. I > > > thank you from the bottom of my heart! > > > > > > Marsha: You are a strong woman with > unbounding > > > care. You have really been very beautiful > in your approach. I thank you. > > > > > > Ron: You are very brave and > open-minded. You > > > dived into what many shuttered and scattered from > out of fear and > > > extreme caution. I charged in > > > here like a raging buffalo and you met me with a > tender heart > > > that helped ease my fear. If you > > > see it from my perspective as I think you, Ron, > have been able > > > to. I think you might see my fear > > > and why I have said bluntly that I think other > people are > > > dangerous. I think it is mainly a > > > huge shift for people and I did come in here very > strongly in > > > what I feel deeply about - peace. Ron in my > running fear and thus > > > my preconceptual distrust right off the bat due > to how I saw > > > people not > > > understanding me and dismissing the NAP. > And since the NAP means > > > peace, then can anybody really > > > question my fear and possible confusion on why > would people > > > reject peace? I am a wild horse > > > at times Ron, but you are a good hearted person > and I can see > > > trust in your heart through your > > > posts. It helped me settle down amidst the > barrage of posts > > > bashing me without trying to have > > > discourse on what I meant. When I say > somebody is a criminal I > > > am merely pointing out an example on the > > > intellectual exercise of what they are > concluding. It does not > > > mean they want to be a criminal or > > > murderer. I am intellectual showing the > boundaries of an > > > innocent person who is trying to minimize > conflict > > > and somebody that may not recognize the > boundaries of their > > > actions. Ron thank you for being > > > civil. > > > > > > Andre: Your intentions are present, but you > seem to > > > not take the time to figure out what somebody > else means. This > > > is all an intellectual exercise and > > > I am pointing out the boundaries in human > action. For me to say > > > you are an idiot, murderer, and criminal is a > > > cynic move out of distrust cause I didn't see you > try to care > > > expect in a few instances. I'm sorry, > > > please don't think that I'm saying anything > outside of an > > > intellectual exercise. I am merely pointing > out > > > boundaries. > > > > > > gav: I'm am greatly appreciative of > you. I > > > think you were one of the first to make an > attempt to try to > > > reason with me. You asked questions and saw > the > > > questions and answers as an intellectual > discourse. The topics > > > of justice, crime, and liberty in any law > > > classroom are difficult for people to handle > > > sometimes. It might shake them up to look > into the eyes of what > > > somebody may never have peered into before. > But you are well > > > prepared and reasonable. I honor your > > > effort to help bridge the intellectual > discourse. I Thank You. > > > > > > Ian: I think you have a difficult time > knowing what > > > an intellectual exercise is and what is try > about > > > life. You seem beaten like a dog and > tired. I wish I could be > > > there in person cause it wouldn't be so bad to > talk about these > > > things if we saw each others faces. I > really > > > wasn't trying to condemn you. I wasn't > doing the run > > > around. I think a tremendous amount of > talking past each other > > > happened. I feel sad that the conversation > became challenging. > > > It is not everyday that misery is upon > > > our ears. I'm sorry. > > > > > > John: I don't know you much but you seem > like a fun > > > person. I am so happy you tried to reason > with me > > > too. You seem like a cool guy to hang out > with. > > > > > > I really hope I didn't miss anybody else from > the > > > discussion. dmb and Krimel are still > assholes for what > > > they said. They are gloriously > arrogant. They are basket cases > > > of mistrust in my opinion. I feel empathy > for them, > > > but I am also very fearful and do not trust them > at all. Their > > > lack of care to reason makes me wonder how far > they would go if > > > we were actually close by each other physically. > > > > > > So thank you for those that have tried to help me > feel > > > comfortable and have taken the time to have a > civil > > > discourse. peace > > > > > > Nick -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! > > > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > > > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > > Need a Holiday? Win a > $10,000 Holiday of your choice. 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